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There are just 558 WD 1TB which is not a big percentage of WD in the sheet. Look at 1.5TB, Seagate has around 2,500 which are also around 70 months as well. You can do the exact calculation but I don't see old WD % is more than old Seagate %. Then this 2015 data tells you the story already:

If we don't count 3TB seagate, it should be somewhere around Toshiba area.
You seem to understand simple addition - try adding up the failure rates of models per manufacturer, than divide the total failure rate per manufacturer by the number of models deployed, then divide by three to come to an annual failure rate per manufacturer.

Hint - it'll look something like this:


https://www.backblaze.com/hard-drive.html
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Problem I have with WD is they have so many different drive. I want general purpose now specific drives.

It's not that complicated.

General purpose: WD Blue (5400 rpm - light duty storage only; formerly the WD Greens)
General purpose: WD Blue (7200 rpm - storage and OS)
General purpose: WD Black (heavier duty storage and OS)

None of the above are suitable for use in RAID though many have done so and have gotten away with it.

The WD Reds are intended for use in smaller RAIDs.
The WD Red Pros are intended for use Raids with more drives. They also have a longer warranty.
The WD Purples are for use in surveillance systems only.

I use WD Blacks (2TB and 4TB) in my machine (which runs 24/7) for storage (the OS is on a Samsung 840 Pro). I use WD Greens (2TB and 4TB) for my backup drives since they only run when I'm updating the backup (extremely light usage).
     
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Again with that chart already. All that tells you... Oh, never mind, I've already explained it to you. You apparently are just incapable of "getting it'!

As I said above the percentage of old wd and old seagate is around the same, so wd is the worst in 2015 in the chart is a solid answer. I really try to have an objective discussion and think about which 4tb I will get. I use both wd and seagate for years.
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As I said above the percentage of old wd and old seagate is around the same, so wd is the worst in 2015 in the chart is a solid answer. I really try to have an objective discussion and think about which 4tb I will get. I use both wd and seagate for years.
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You seem to understand simple addition - try adding up the failure rates of models per manufacturer, than divide the total failure rate per manufacturer by the number of models deployed, then divide by three to come to an annual failure rate per manufacturer.

Hint - it'll look something like this:


https://www.backblaze.com/hard-drive.html
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P.S. Their data will tell you nothing about drives they don't test as their own data demonstrates (by nature of not having that data but also because some manufacturer's drives are better/worse than others).
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Again with that chart already. All that tells you... Oh, never mind, I've already explained it to you. You apparently are just incapable of "getting it'!

As I said above the percentage of old wd and old seagate is around the same, so wd is the worst in 2015 in the chart is a solid answer. I really try to have an objective discussion and think about which 4tb I will get. I use both wd and seagate for years.

Do you really not understand this or are you just trolling? Seriously.
     
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Do you really not understand this or are you just trolling? Seriously.

welcome to do the math from the table and show me why you think I am wrong.
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welcome to do the math from the table and show me why you think I am wrong.
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The math has already been done - the results are presented in the table...

The graph you keep pointing to to explain your "math" is represented in the "2015 Failure Rate" column.

The data we are referring to is in the "Failure Rate" column, towards the end, with the "All Periods: 2013-2015" header.'

The reason we are dismissing your "math" is because it does not represent the actual failure rate of drives. It only represents the failure rate of drives over one year. It does not tell you what happens over the drive's entire life.

The data we are referring to points to the failure rate of a drive over it's entire deployment life, not just the last year (which may or may not include the drive's deployment life prior to 2015).

For example, if a drive fails 6.32% of the time in 2013 ("2013 Failure Rate" column, WD30EZRX), that means that 6.32% of the drives deployed failed in the year 2013.

This drive failed 0.00% of the time in 2014 (the "2014 Failure Rate" column). By your logic, this means that the drive never failed. However, cumulatively, in this case, 6.32% failed.

It sounds like you are in the market for a fast, reliable 4TB drive on the cheap. The solution is to use the Annual Failure Rate column to determine reliability, go to your Tom's page to rank their speed, and then get the cheapest one.

You're limiting your options in this way, and you may not be getting the fastest drives*, but if you're shopping based on this data that's the best you'll do.

*I dunno, there are certainly better benchmarks than sequential write.
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I didn't know hitachi is that reliable, i'll kep that in mind

I had no idea either, I thought they had high failure rates. Aren't Hitachi Deskstar drives nicknamed Deathstar drives for a reason?
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I had no idea either, I thought they had high failure rates. Aren't Hitachi Deskstar drives nicknamed Deathstar drives for a reason?

That was when IBM owned the factories and initially when Hitachi took over
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Brand new seagate 1TB drive. Worked for 1 backup. Then failed. Now it won't even switch on.

Furious.
    
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