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So back to Nvidia and Pascal, assuming these manifests are for Pascal related tools. What does it mean? Does it mean Nvidia unquestionably has Pascal silicon? Nope, it means Nvidia unquestionably does not have Pascal silicon and probably wouldn’t for at best several days after they got these tools in-house. In short these tools shipping pretty much prove that Nvidia was anticipating Pascal early silicon, and not an enthusiast part, as the last few days of 2015 passed. If you assume a day to ship these parts from Taiwan to Bangalore, a few days to set it up, and a few more to test and prep, and a few more just in case something goes wrong, there is no way Nvidia had Pascal silicon when Jen-Hsun claimed they did, and he had to have known it.

It also proves the ‘reports’ of Pascal taping out in June were unquestionably wrong, if it taped out in June there is no way silicon would be getting back to Nvidia in early January, best case. ~7 months is enough for a full production wafer to go through TSMC, a month of debug, and another full production run after that. If you hot lot the silicon as they most assuredly did, there would be room for 3-4 full cycles, more than any GPU in recent memory bar Fermi needed. They would have shown it off months before AMD showed running Polaris’ in early December.

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I know Charlie isn't the greatest Nvidia fan but on some points he is right.
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The only facts to be taken away from this, is that statistically Charlie has been wrong more than he has been right.
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Originally Posted by Silent Scone View Post

The only facts to be taken away from this, is that statistically Charlie has been wrong more than he has been right.

Basically this.

I haven't clicked on SA for a long time now. All that paywall for a lot of "might-be".
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Charlie, the guy who announced the nVidia's bankrupt a dozen of times but never seen AMD's one coming...
Well, we need better sources than that.
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Well the item is in any case interesting to read.

With regard to research, journalism, he is absolutely right!
Everything just write off of each other, is not journalism.
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Charlie is right about the equipment stuff and that we should be close to Pascal launch if the June tapeout rumors were true.

Someone in the SA forums posted this article about zauba shipment way back in August, a GPU or perhaps dual GPU card going around for more than twice what Fiji samples were shipping for.

http://www.3dcenter.org/news/nvidias-gp100-chip-tritt-augenscheinlich-seine-testphase

If that's the big Pascal chip and is going to be released in April, it'd be like the second coming of 8800GTX. Heck, it'd be even bigger. eek.gif
    
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mmm, he does bring up some very very interesting points. Sure the article is based off of assumptions, but it does look like he has at least thought about it rather than just posting a random news item he found on someone else's site.

Also it is definately viable. Not saying he is right, but there is nothing in his article saying he has completely missed the ball thumb.gif
   
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IMHO the Zauba parts are testing equipment. This thermometric cooler has max about 80c so a BGA 37.5×37.5 Pascal would reach much higher temps.
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Originally Posted by gamervivek View Post

Charlie is right about the equipment stuff and that we should be close to Pascal launch if the June tapeout rumors were true.

Someone in the SA forums posted this article about zauba shipment way back in August, a GPU or perhaps dual GPU card going around for more than twice what Fiji samples were shipping for.

http://www.3dcenter.org/news/nvidias-gp100-chip-tritt-augenscheinlich-seine-testphase

If that's the big Pascal chip and is going to be released in April, it'd be like the second coming of 8800GTX. Heck, it'd be even bigger. eek.gif

Is there any evidence of this or just speculation?
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Is there any evidence of this or just speculation?

The evidence is the Zauba shipping manifest in the article.



For comparison, the Fiji chips were going around for 70-75k. So these are close to 2.5x that. Would be pretty amazing if it's the big daddy Pascal.
    
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