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Hi there I've always been using telephone adsl broadband and not really had the chance to check out fibre yet.

So I'm wondering if it's worth the jump. The thing is I'm not really that bothered about doubling the speed as in large downloads. I'm more interested in getting responsiveness so things click faster web pages load faster. I have read there's less interference with fibre but is it noticeable?

I'm in the UK on sky at 17mbps and looking at the cheap fibre deals that hit around 38 mbps not that I'm bothered by the extra large file speed. I also noticed one company 'bt' is fibre to copper near the house were as virgin is all fibre anyway tell us your experiences / thoughts thanks.
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not that I'm bothered by the extra large file speed

Wouldn't that negate any reason for obtaining a faster internet connection? wink.gif
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Wouldn't that negate any reason for obtaining a faster internet connection? wink.gif
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Hi there I've always been using telephone adsl broadband and not really had the chance to check out fibre yet.

So I'm wondering if it's worth the jump. The thing is I'm not really that bothered about doubling the speed as in large downloads. I'm more interested in getting responsiveness so things click faster web pages load faster. I have read there's less interference with fibre but is it noticeable?

I'm in the UK on sky at 17mbps and looking at the cheap fibre deals that hit around 38 mbps not that I'm bothered by the extra large file speed. I also noticed one company 'bt' is fibre to copper near the house were as virgin is all fibre anyway tell us your experiences / thoughts thanks.
Fiber is only as reliable as the company that is offering the service, an ADSL line can be as reliable as a fiber line if there are no issues. If you're seeking faster web page load times and better reliability then fiber is technically supposed to allow for that, it just so happens that fiber offers many advantages over copper, such as it being immune to EMI since signals are transmitted using light rather than current and because of that it also allows for much faster transfers of data. But you need to read up on the ISP's that offer fiber and see what kind of service they're offering and read reviews on them. As for speeds if you're getting a FTTH (fiber-to-the-home) installation i wouldn't be surprised if the minimum speeds were at least 100+ Mb/s. Although i'm not exactly sure how good the offerings are from the ISP's in the UK. If it were down to me i would be on fiber 10 years ago, but it's not available where i live, so if it's not too expensive i would just go for it.
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Fiber is only as reliable as the company that is offering the service, an ADSL line can be as reliable as a fiber line if there are no issues. If you're seeking faster web page load times and better reliability then fiber is technically supposed to allow for that, it just so happens that fiber offers many advantages over copper, such as it being immune to EMI since signals are transmitted using light rather than current and because of that it also allows for much faster transfers of data. But you need to read up on the ISP's that offer fiber and see what kind of service they're offering and read reviews on them. As for speeds if you're getting a FTTH (fiber-to-the-home) installation i wouldn't be surprised if the minimum speeds were at least 100+ Mb/s. Although i'm not exactly sure how good the offerings are from the ISP's in the UK. If it were down to me i would be on fiber 10 years ago, but it's not available where i live, so if it's not too expensive i would just go for it.


Ok yes thanks I suppose I was also hoping to see if anyone had experienced the change directly and noticed the response times and lags reduced. But yes there is some FTTH services here it seems ill have to check the cheap offers include them. I suppose I could swap back after a year anyway.


***update : hmm looks like the cheap one may actually be fibre to copper near by to house type situation hmmm...the fully fibre ones are quiet a bit more. unless I go for a crap service company and that sounds a bit scarey!
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Ok yes thanks I suppose I was also hoping to see if anyone had experienced the change directly and noticed the response times and lags reduced. But yes there is some FTTH services here it seems ill have to check the cheap offers include them. I suppose I could swap back after a year anyway.


***update : hmm looks like the cheap one may actually be fibre to copper near by to house type situation hmmm...the fully fibre ones are quiet a bit more. unless I go for a crap service company and that sounds a bit scarey!

Hey man I have used Fiber to Copper and suggest it over regular copper and ADSL. As you know ADSL is slow, and in most cases more expensive than Coaxial and/or Fiber. The only reason you keep ADSL is due to either having outdated infrastructure or if you are here in the United States. You are being billed for data cap overuse. But still for example To me having 75 mbps in coaxial and paying "unlimited data" is only $7.00 usd more than 8 mbps with ADSL.
Sounds confusing but this is two different homes just in case.

House 1: I had ADSL due to being in a remote area; however the municipality ran a Fiber network and slowly it reached me. Unlike everyone thinks Fiber does not mean 1Gbs nor 10gbs connections it just mean the medium to provide you the service. My service was 30mbps. Overall I say the upgrade was worth it 100% service was a bit clunky due to being a new implementation by the company, but a call to the tech guy i was able to tell him which ports or services were down and they were fixed around 5 minutes later. I really miss that service.

House 2: Coaxial. better speeds than DSL but I will eventually switch to DSL if costs keep going up.

My pros and cons:

Fiber:
Pros:
Like most DSL your bandwidth tends to be your bandwidth no matter if its peak time or not.
Better speeds than DSL.
could be Less equipment required which translate to less points of failure in my case it was fiber to outside of the house then an RJ-45 directly to my router.

Cons:
Possible Natting, due to lack of IPV4 addresses new technologies and Providers that service Fiber to home might be using natting combined with Ipv6 unique addresses to their customers, this affected some of my services but not all (eg nest worked but foscams did not).
Could be slightly more than ADSL (even know speeds are higher).

Coaxial.
Products are cheap and easy to find (modems start at $64.00 usd)
Known and grown market

Cons:
Bandwidth might be shared on peak hours. You might see slowness.
EMI interference. Affects my currently


Check how reputable the Fiber to Copper is look up speedtest results for them, complaints, etc. you should be good smile.gif
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***update : hmm looks like the cheap one may actually be fibre to copper near by to house type situation hmmm...the fully fibre ones are quiet a bit more. unless I go for a crap service company and that sounds a bit scarey!

Yeah, FTTN isn't really what most people are thinking about when they think of fiber. It's more like an incremental improvement that (literally) extends traditional copper technologies, allowing for greater speeds and distances. But at the end of the day, because it's an evolution of existing technologies rather than something new, it suffers from the underlying shortcomings of coaxial and DSL too.

The marketing departments at ISPs have, of course, seized on the "F" in FTTN to try and deceive people into thinking that they're getting something when they're not. That being said, if you're deciding between your existing connection and these FTTN offerings, it would be better to think of it in terms of "copper vs copper" rather than "copper vs fiber" because you're not getting any of the benefits of FTTH. If you want any actual improvement, you'll have to go with the fully fiber ones.

Besides, FTTN primarily benefits ISPs (higher max speeds = more premium pricing tiers to gouge you with), so there's a good chance your current "telephone adsl broadband" connection is already FTTN - perhaps your current ISP is simply being honest and not advertising it as fiber.
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So I'm wondering if it's worth the jump. The thing is I'm not really that bothered about doubling the speed as in large downloads. I'm more interested in getting responsiveness so things click faster web pages load faster.

your ISP's peering arrangements make more of a difference than the delivery method because latency is mostly a matter of how many hops are between you and your destination. this is why content delivery networks (CDNs) are so important. pages load faster when Google/Amazon/MS/Cloudflare caches the content at a node closer to your geographic location so when you request resources from a site hosted on the other side of the world, the static content loads quickly from somewhere nearby and you only have to wait out a longer round-trip when requesting dynamic content from the hosting server.
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