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I honestly think if they just add the newest instructions to the phenom II, and have up to an 8 core, it will be a real winner right there. and im talking about REAL 8 cores, not the module garbage amd is doing now. Fun fact, the phenom x6 was the last time amd released a true 6 core in the desktop market.

That myth has been dispelled time and time again. If they could have done that they would have. It just wasn't feasible.
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Who says you can't OC? Just increase the bus speed.

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exactly, you can just overclock it that way and most times, it overclocks just as high if the cpu was unlocked.


You guys must not be very familiar with FM2 and FM2+. You can't really overclock with the BCLK. As NaroonGTX pointed out.
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That myth has been dispelled time and time again. If they could have done that they would have. It just wasn't feasible.

Yet so many people claim the Jaguar cores were mostly taken from the old K8 cores and updated, and not Zen is taking much from those Jaguar cores. So.... ?
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exactly, you can just overclock it that way and most times, it overclocks just as high if the cpu was unlocked.

As a current 860k owner, I can calmly dismiss this. AMD needs to get on the ball and release excavator that's worth owning. I would be willing to buy an 845k.
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You guys must not be very familiar with FM2 and FM2+. You can't really overclock with the BCLK. As NaroonGTX pointed out.

well, I am genuinely suprised. I thought all of the amd claims of allowing oc on lower end products is a bit misleading now with their newer sockets such as fm2+ and am1 then. Hopefully it changes back to am3+ and prior days with am4.
    
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Yet so many people claim the Jaguar cores were mostly taken from the old K8 cores and updated, and not Zen is taking much from those Jaguar cores. So.... ?

People claim a lot of things, doesn't make them true. Also Zen isn't taking "much" from 16h, but some. Keep in mind that Jaguar does incorporate some things from K7/K8's lineage but it doesn't matter since the design is meant for low-power/low-clock ranges anyway. The people who wanted some mythical Phenom III wanted AMD to take K8 and somehow make it clock at 4ghz and beyond as well as increasing IPC significantly somehow. Good luck with that...
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well, I am genuinely suprised. I thought all of the amd claims of allowing oc on lower end products is a bit misleading now with their newer sockets such as fm2+ and am1 then. Hopefully it changes back to am3+ and prior days with am4.

AM1 was never meant as an enthusiast platform and this new Excavator Athlon is a low-end part which is multplier-locked for a reason. It's a lone SKU release meant for people who want an upgrade who were already on the FM2+ platform but had a lesser chip installed already. AMD did say in a statement somewhere that it's not meant for enthusiasts. AM4's Bristol Ridge will be more what people are looking forward to with Excavator on the desktop. There will be APU and Athlon SKU's which have locked and unlocked multipliers. Dual-channel DDR4 only despite there being a physical DDR3 PHY on the chips.
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AM1 was never meant as an enthusiast platform and this new Excavator Athlon is a low-end part which is multplier-locked for a reason. It's a lone SKU release meant for people who want an upgrade who were already on the FM2+ platform but had a lesser chip installed already. AMD did say in a statement somewhere that it's not meant for enthusiasts. AM4's Bristol Ridge will be more what people are looking forward to with Excavator on the desktop. There will be APU and Athlon SKU's which have locked and unlocked multipliers. Dual-channel DDR4 only despite there being a physical DDR3 PHY on the chips.

Bristol ridge is going to be the same thing I thought?
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50% clock speed = 50% Perf on Single thread.
Power efficiency in another thing.
know idea what you're even arguing anymore. I wont respond again.
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