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I wonder why Amd never built 6-8 core "Athlons" (no L3, no Igp ) from SR or XV. Those chips would have been cheap, being smaller than an apu or a Vishera, yet bringing the performance of a vishera.
They would have been cannibalizing their own sales of FX parts if they had done that. The only reason quad-core Athlons exist is because of the need to do something with APU parts with defects in the GPU section. It's more cost-effective for AMD to have just the existing AM3+ and FM2+ lines, since FX and Opteron are identical silicon. The existence of bum APU's with functional CPU sections is just a lucky accident that we get to take advantage of.
     
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An i3 6100 is £100 vs the ~£60 this will most likely retail at.

   
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An i3 6100 is £100 vs the ~£60 this will most likely retail at.
True. I wondered what the rationale behind comparing them was. Athlon X4's compete with G3258, not i3's. Compared to G3258, they have lower single-core performance, but good enough, and they let you play games that demand a quad-core. The i3's are in the same price bracket with FX-63x0.
     
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i3 6100 would still crush it though.

not entirely true.
Just like some said that i3 ivy bridge would destroy FX 4300.
I did some test ivy bridge 3.6Ghz vs FX 4300 4.5GHz. And honestly FX 4300 was faster ...
Edited by Themisseble - 2/2/16 at 10:34am
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PCIE 8X

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PCIE 8X

What a completely useless cpu.
Planning on running a big super ultra SLI setup on a $75 CPU, I see?
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not entirely true.
Just like some said that i3 ivy bridge would destroy FX 4300.
I did some test ivy bridge 3.6Ghz vs FX 4300 4.5GHz. And honestly FX 4300 was faster ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5ejBlynOV8

i3 6100 is a big upgrade from older i3.
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not entirely true.
Just like some said that i3 ivy bridge would destroy FX 4300.
I did some test ivy bridge 3.6Ghz vs FX 4300 4.5GHz. And honestly FX 4300 was faster ...
In some benchmarks, an 860K at 4.5 can match an i5-3570. Not surprised at all that your FX-4300 could hang with an Ivy i3.

You can make benchmarks show whatever you want to, if you're selective. Some of them will show FX-9590 as superior to i7-4960X. Others will show it as inferior to Haswell i3's. There was an Intel troll on here two weeks ago who was trying to "prove" the 860K was slower than Phenom II 965 by using Cinebench 11.5 scores.
     
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5ejBlynOV8

i3 6100 is a big upgrade from older i3.

this it no great video, believe me. This is just marketing for DDR4 rams and nothing else.

Do you know what happens when you OC quad core? or six core? or 8 core?
Let me give you example - BF4 - Teste on same server, same stop, no players in.
Piledriver quad core 3.5GHz - 85 FPS
Piledriver six core 3.5GHz - 110 FPS
i3 ivy 3.6GHz - 88 fps
i7 3770 3.6GHz - 147 FPS
i5 4460 stock - 151 FPS

- Piledriver quad core 4.5 GHz OC - 115 FPS
- Piledriver six core 4.5 GHz OC - 135 FPS
... how much difference would be from six to 8 core? 10% maximum .. so OCed FX 8320 4.5GHz = or just a little better than stock i7 3770.
How much difference would be between overclocked i5 and i7?


I definitely agree would you i3 6100 is better than athlon excavator at 4.5GHz, but please dont underestimate excavator in well threaded games like all latest games.
But we have to know that excavator wont get to 4.5GHz.
Edited by Themisseble - 2/2/16 at 10:58am
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I wonder why Amd never built 6-8 core "Athlons" (no L3, no Igp ) from SR or XV. Those chips would have been cheap, being smaller than an apu or a Vishera, yet bringing the performance of a vishera.

That would require 4 module SR/EX chips, and if AMD had those, they definitely would be FXs and Optys, not Athlons. They apparently decided to focus on Zen instead, and from what we know about it, I can't say I disagree with their decision.
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