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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hi all biggrin.gif

I need help deciding which laptop to get. I've narrowed my choices to the two below. Assuming both cost the same. which would be the better buy:

MSI GE62 Apache 276

or

ASUS ROG GL552VW-DH71

Purpose: Office work (MS word and excel, reading documents, email), Watching movies/tv shows, Gaming (dota, hearthstone, bioshock infinite, fps games)

Priorities (1 being highest):
1. Display;
2. Mobility (including weight);
3. Battery life;
4. Keyboard; and
5. Trackpad.

Thanks cheers.gif
post #2 of 17
In your list of priorities you don't list performance as a factor, and taking that in consideration neither of those two would fall as a consideration.

Removing my thoughts off of that and actually thinking about myself wanting to buy a laptop for gaming on the move, I would pick the Asus.
But I'm biased towards the Asus because I absolutely dislike the look of the MSI. That's my honest opinion on it.
The touchpad on it might be sketchy though, Asus loves messing up their touchpads.
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokkan View Post

In your list of priorities you don't list performance as a factor, and taking that in consideration neither of those two would fall as a consideration.

Removing my thoughts off of that and actually thinking about myself wanting to buy a laptop for gaming on the move, I would pick the Asus.
But I'm biased towards the Asus because I absolutely dislike the look of the MSI. That's my honest opinion on it.
The touchpad on it might be sketchy though, Asus loves messing up their touchpads.

The reason I didn't include performance as a factor is because both perform more or less similarly with the Asus having a slight edge (16GB ram vs MSI's 12GB). It didn't seem relevant to me. Thanks for the recommendation thumb.gif
post #4 of 17
I am a HUGE Asus fan and always have been. I've put over 500+ Asus mobos in all the pc's I've built. I have bought 2 asus pc's the past 3 months and all had major issues and didn't even support the hard drives that the laptop were made for. Bios was jacked up too and the Asus tech support had no clue on even how to help me.

I then bought the MSI GT72 and love it in every way and it's miles ahead of the Asus G752 laptop. MSI has way better quality and features. Cooling is superior by far. Sound is in a whole different world over the Asus. MSI supports 3 different styles of hard drives and they all work, Asus supports 2 different kinds and neither work right lol.

I would choose the MSI hands down after seeing everything I have over the past 4 months of trying to buy myself a new laptop. I went through 4 different models before I finally ended up with this MSI and I couldn't be happier. Also MSI's Tech support is far better than Asus's and they actually know their stuff. As in talking about flashing the bios and what to look for and if it happens to hang, do a double flash and be all good. Knowing little things like that and many others I've talked to them about is huge in my book. Asus couldn't even understand me when I told them that my G752 couldn't see the Samsung 950 Pro NVMe SSD drive in the bios, nor when I was trying to install windows. I explained things for 10 min straight and told them very specific about what I did and tried, and then after 10 mins the Asus douche says "so.... you are having a problem trying to hook up a external hard drive? is it a My Book? There could be a issue there... " ..... SAY WHAT?!!?! When did I say anything about a external hard drive or even say the words My Book. I was talking about the style of hard drives this model laptop supports, or is SUPPOSED to support as in NVMe m.2 ssd's dummy doh.gif

MSI for sure bud, FOR SURE thumb.gif as far as laptops. Asus still as far as mobo's for your desktop. I would not recommend a MSI mobo over an Asus still no matter what. That's why it's very hard for me to even think that I have gone from recommending Asus to MSI, but you would understand if you seen what I have and gone through what I have over the past 4 months lol.
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post #5 of 17
Generally speaking I agree with Hambone, the Asus gaming laptops currently aren't made with much thought... They are just sailing on the boat they launched years ago and see where that may lead.
Support wise and obviously this is different in different regions... is where the opinion diverges. Currently MSI in my country (Portugal) has no official MSI technical support. As such when you are looking for answers or trying to make a warranty claim you are forced to talk to the shop we bought it from.
Unlike Asus that gives us Europe wide warranty, all we gotta do is call a number and they pick up the laptop anywhere inside Europe and deliver it anywhere. For as many flaws as it might have, in this day and age support is everything. One can live with flaws as long as there is support to rectify them, currently if you buy an MSI you end up waiting to have it sent to factory for support if something goes wrong. After a month legally you can ask for your money back but assuming that is not what you actually want, it's bothersome.
post #6 of 17
Greetings!

Comming from an Asus N56VZ to a MSI GE72.

Generally i have to say, i am disappointed with the most cooling solutions
built in laptops. I bought today a large copper plate which i have to drill and
cut to put it on the heatpipes of the GE72.

But it ain´t that bad. I managed to get it idling around 55-60°C without any
usage of the fans for web browsing, listening to music and so on.
The i5 could be a notch cooler but with no guarantee.

I made my own new fan profiles. If i run it 30% i can leave the fans on
20% i like that.. but remember. i have the 970m so i guess it gets hotter because
it needs more Watts.

But even with the 650m in the Asus i had to set the CPU to 65%. Luckily it was
an i7 so it wasnt noticable.

See this Story? This is whats expecting you smile.gif The MSI will bu MUCH more easy
to open and maintain. Dont worry, you can break the sticker, they stated it in their
official FORUM, as long as you do not damage some hardware manually you
will not loose your guarantee.


Long story short IMO the general built quality of the ASUS is a notch better but it
lacks the ability to service it easily and i guess i would not get it to idle without
fans.like the MSI can. The cooling is not worlds better but there is still a huge difference.


edit
Did you think about XMG / Clevo ? Or maybe even something second hand?
Edited by smex - 2/8/16 at 11:30am
post #7 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by smex View Post

Greetings!

Comming from an Asus N56VZ to a MSI GE72.

Generally i have to say, i am disappointed with the most cooling solutions
built in laptops. I bought today a large copper plate which i have to drill and
cut to put it on the heatpipes of the GE72.

But it ain´t that bad. I managed to get it idling around 55-60°C without any
usage of the fans for web browsing, listening to music and so on.
The i5 could be a notch cooler but with no guarantee.

I made my own new fan profiles. If i run it 30% i can leave the fans on
20% i like that.. but remember. i have the 970m so i guess it gets hotter because
it needs more Watts.

But even with the 650m in the Asus i had to set the CPU to 65%. Luckily it was
an i7 so it wasnt noticable.

See this Story? This is whats expecting you smile.gif The MSI will bu MUCH more easy
to open and maintain. Dont worry, you can break the sticker, they stated it in their
official FORUM, as long as you do not damage some hardware manually you
will not loose your guarantee.


Long story short IMO the general built quality of the ASUS is a notch better but it
lacks the ability to service it easily and i guess i would not get it to idle without
fans.like the MSI can. The cooling is not worlds better but there is still a huge difference.


edit
Did you think about XMG / Clevo ? Or maybe even something second hand?

You are having heat issues with the GE72? You had to add a copper plate you made on your own just to keep it idling at 55-60c?!?! Say WHAT?? eek.gif

Why are you getting such bad temps? I have the 6820K @ 4ghz and have the 970m @ +135mhz Core +500mhz Memory in my GT72. With the fans on auto, which you can't hear them at all. They run around 1250rpms when at the lowest when running auto profile and it's completely silent, but my idle temps right now are insanely low. Cpu idles at low 20's and gpu at mid 20's.

I don't get why you are having such bad temps? I've never heard of any MSI getting such high temps. Most everyone I talk to are right around the temps I'm getting. This is with ambient temps of 70F (21C)

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post #8 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone07si View Post

You are having heat issues with the GE72? You had to add a copper plate you made on your own just to keep it idling at 55-60c?!?! Say WHAT?? eek.gif

Why are you getting such bad temps? I have the 6820K @ 4ghz and have the 970m @ +135mhz Core +500mhz Memory in my GT72. With the fans on auto, which you can't hear them at all. They run around 1250rpms when at the lowest when running auto profile and it's completely silent, but my idle temps right now are insanely low. Cpu idles at low 20's and gpu at mid 20's.

I don't get why you are having such bad temps? I've never heard of any MSI getting such high temps. Most everyone I talk to are right around the temps I'm getting. This is with ambient temps of 70F (21C)



Noo, you didnt get me at all. I wrote i plan to add copper to push the (good!) idle temps even further.
Heat is absolutely no problem, all stays in the 70s..

BUT

..like i said, i wanna make it work @load under 40% of the fan speed smile.gif

Your Model have a little more copper and sligtly bigger vents, but also thicker and much
heavier because you can upgrade the GPU and the cooling like mentioned.

I am still very happy with mine, i just thought that they still left room in my slimmer model
for one or two ideas, even if it is a notch more expensive.

So i will have to do this, but why not. Winter...eeehm Summer is commming. thumb.gif
post #9 of 17
Adding copper with no airflow to dispense heat will only create heatsoak.

Typically there isnt much method to create airflow over added copper in a closed system in fashion that doesnt add heated air into the laptop fans.

the best method is to add copper heat pipes with additional fins.
    
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post #10 of 17
You can usually get little ram heatsinks off fleabay for cheap. I got some for like... $6, and I plan on trying to help with the temps on my old Toshiba. Hopefully a laptop cooler like the U3 with those directed fans should do a little better at cooling it off afterwards.

However, doing such a thing voids the warranty in any case, so tamper at your own risk.
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Originally Posted by Hambone07si View Post

You are having heat issues with the GE72? You had to add a copper plate you made on your own just to keep it idling at 55-60c?!?! Say WHAT?? eek.gif

Why are you getting such bad temps? I have the 6820K @ 4ghz and have the 970m @ +135mhz Core +500mhz Memory in my GT72. With the fans on auto, which you can't hear them at all. They run around 1250rpms when at the lowest when running auto profile and it's completely silent, but my idle temps right now are insanely low. Cpu idles at low 20's and gpu at mid 20's.

I don't get why you are having such bad temps? I've never heard of any MSI getting such high temps. Most everyone I talk to are right around the temps I'm getting. This is with ambient temps of 70F (21C)


Also, that's literally impossible. You cannot be idling, with any air or water cooling setup, at the same temperature that your ambient room is at. It's just a physical impossibility unless the machine is off.

I highly doubt you're resting at 20*C on both chips. Best check your software and look again. Unless it's cold where you are, and very cold in your room at that, you aren't idling at 20*C in that notebook. My machine runs cooler than yours by far and I'm sitting at 45*C idle for the CPU and around the same for the GPU...
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