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I had tried h55,x31 lq320,h60, h60 has highest frequency but actually least audible, the h55 sound similar to lq320 and the x31 is worst.
Honestly, the pump noise does exist, undervolt help some, but ultimately it is what you hear that matters. Grab a h55 from somewhere you can return, plug it to molex -> 3 pin fan header, listen to it. There is nothing that is much quieter than h55 because the round pump thingy are all made by the same manufacturer in the same factory somewhere in china.

The h60 can work with corsair hg10, but the blower fan suks and usually have bearing noise which defeat the purpose.



Anyways, which 780ti you have?
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I had tried h55,x31 lq320,h60, h60 has highest frequency but actually least audible, the h55 sound similar to lq320 and the x31 is worst.
Honestly, the pump noise does exist, undervolt help some, but ultimately it is what you hear that matters. Grab a h55 from somewhere you can return, plug it to molex -> 3 pin fan header, listen to it. There is nothing that is much quieter than h55 because the round pump thingy are all made by the same manufacturer in the same factory somewhere in china.

The h60 can work with corsair hg10, but the blower fan suks and usually have bearing noise which defeat the purpose.



WHAT ??? AN ANSWER TO MY ACTUAL QUESTION ??? THANKS !!!

sig : 780 ti Asus Direct CU
Now, please could the ones that 'have tested all of them' provide more feedback like the gentleman above did ?
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Post #30 of this thread rolleyes.gif
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I ran my 2 AIOs at the lowest voltage they'd operate (~6.5V) and still thought they were annoying. However, I only lost ~4* on my GPUs with low-speed fans with the undervolt, despite a pretty heavy overclock.

That said, most aftermarket air coolers cool VRM better than CLC options.

Don't mind the comments, it was in a thread on noise/performance/clc vs air.
A 290/x VRMs run much hotter than your card. You can figure out the rest.
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i doubt that any air cooler will get your GPU 15°C cooler with a lower noise at the end.

also: have you tested a h55 ?
A good aftermarket air-cooler doesn't cool the core as well as a CLC (though better than non-reference cards, and certainly greater than 15* when compared to reference), but offers better VRM cooling and significantly less noise.

@ciarlatano - the x41 is v4.5 and the x31 is v4. I personally noticed a difference and think the x41/x61 AIOs are the quietest AIOs on the market (haven't tried latest CoolIt), but they are still whiny/buzzy/wish-washy, even when undervolted.
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Thank you too for replying, aside from the xtreme 3/4, is there any other air cooler thhat would cool down the VRM? I still think that the aio+heatsinks will be more efficient as the xtreme uses tiny heatsinks too (so i'm better off with my bracket fan blowing directly on them, wih air not filtered by a huge ash heatsink)
And for the noise (i guess you are refering to fan noise), i can always reduce the speed as i said earlier; if it doesn't work i may buy another fan, but hey even the fastest fan quiets up once ran slowly.

Edit: the mk26 and the morpeus also seem to use tiny vrm heatsinks, isn't it why the vrm temps are controlled ? maybe you could please find some results where someone put tiny heatsinks with their g10.

Could any of you please compare the h55,x41,the water 3.0 performer and the arctic freezer series ?
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Thank you too for replying, aside from the xtreme 3/4, is there any other air cooler thhat would cool down the VRM?
Yes - all of them, as those links I shared demonstrate.
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I still think that the aio+heatsinks will be more efficient as the xtreme uses tiny heatsinks too (so i'm better off with my bracket fan blowing directly on them, wih air not filtered by a huge ash heatsink.
I appreciate that you think this, but several sources that I have linked to you demonstrate otherwise.

Take this review, for the third time: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cooling/77237-corsair-hydro-series-hg10/?page=4

The Morpheus cools an OC'd 290 better than a h75+hg10. It offers lower temperatures on VRM1 and equivalent temperatures on VRM2, all while being 3db quieter in their test bed.

Perhaps you can understand why some members have grown frustrated in responding to you - if you aren't going to engage in the information that has already been shared with you how are you going to make an informed decision? How many times do we have to repeat ourselves?
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Edit: the mk26 and the morpeus also seem to use tiny vrm heatsinks, isn't it why the vrm temps are controlled, maybe you could please find some results where someone put tiny heatsinks with their g10.
I honestly can't be bothered. I've done the mod with multiple AIOs on multiple cards, with and without heatsinks. The performance has always been fine. The noise, however, was not.
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Could any of you please compare the h55,x41,the water 3.0 performer and the arctic freezer series ?
What does this even mean?

The h55 is a LP Asetek v.3 pump
The x41 is a Asetek v.4.5 pump with speed control
The 3.0 performance is an Asetek v.3 pump (I think?)
The Arctic Hybrid is a v.4 Asetek pump, the Freezer a v.4.5

They are all perform similarly, within a margin of error, and sound basically the same. The newer ones are smoother but still demonstrate the same characteristics that all Asetek pumps do.

But, you probably know that by now, right? tongue.gif
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Post #30 of this thread rolleyes.gif
A 290/x VRMs run much hotter than your card. You can figure out the rest.
A good aftermarket air-cooler doesn't cool the core as well as a CLC (though better than non-reference cards, and certainly greater than 15* when compared to reference), but offers better VRM cooling and significantly less noise.

@ciarlatano - the x41 is v4.5 and the x31 is v4. I personally noticed a difference and think the x41/x61 AIOs are the quietest AIOs on the market (haven't tried latest CoolIt), but they are still whiny/buzzy/wish-washy, even when undervolted.
A good aftermarket air-cooler doesn't cool the core as well as a CLC
Can you post some data or links to substantiate that statement please.
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For you? No, you are clearly just baiting me because you're mad about the SPCR thread. tongue.gif

I already posted the reviews, and, literally, just above the post you just made, posted evidence to the contrary (l2r?). This is what margins of errors are for, and typically points to the difference between an open test bench and a closed chassis, but I don't feel that this needs to be demonstrated any further than the 40 or so reviews I posted.

Perhaps instead of always engaging in a reactionary air-cooling politics you might try tempered reason? It's much more persuasive to curious users than beating your head against a wall in an effort to establish proof. Have a nice day thumb.gif
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Perhaps you can understand why some members have grown frustrated in responding to you - if you aren't going to engage in the information that has already been shared with you how are you going to make an informed decision? How many times do we have to repeat ourselves?
Well i'm sorry if i offended anyone,(dunno how my post about the 580 was offensive also), i dont like unanswered questions, wasted time and i wouldn't like creating another thread, wasting my time testing myself, or buying something when i'm certain it is he best for meimo
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ake this review, for the third time: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cooling/77237-corsair-hydro-series-hg10/?page=4

The Morpheus cools an OC'd 290 better than a h75+hg10. It offers lower temperatures on VRM1 and equivalent temperatures on VRM2, all while being 3db quieter in their test bed.
Yes i saw that, but imho here is a difference between a flat middleplate and tiny heatsinks, no offense.

About the pumps, i'm sorry to say that but i still want some real life feedback, maybe not from you (it would be sad if you left the thread, but at least you tried to follow me) but feom anyone that wants to help not only me, but also the dozens of people that ask themselves these questions and visit the thread
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I voted in your poll biggrin.gif Truly appreciate your sense of humor, you have taken this thread in stride smile.gif It would be nicer if it was multiple-choice, though thumb.gif

My bottom-line, having used a bunch of AIOs to cool hot/noisy GPUs:

All CLCs are basically the same, don't outperform a good aftermarket air cooler in any significance, and are noisy.
The best/quietest CLCs, IMO, are the x41/x61. However, they are still noisy/intrusive, even when undervolted.

I only even bothered with a CLC because I was running an SLI setup. Had I had the slot-space, I would've just grabbed some MK-26s or similar.

Personally I will never purchase a CLC again and see no performance or noise benefit (not a ratio, either, as absolutes) in doing so. I might grab some sort of future pump-less CLC for SFF builds, but a lack of space is the only practical application I see for CLCs.
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wut ? the conversation was just getting interesting, i'm not really against getting an air cooler but i need tests, there are very few threads with vrm temps on the 780 ti (with g10 or aftermarket).
GPU-wise i wanna see numbers (hence the 580 questions), aio clc-wise i just can get away with empirical noise feedbacks(maybe all the pumps make some noise but i dont think they all do it the same way and the same intensity, for example silentpcreview says that the x41 pump is quiter than the x31's one)

don't really want to jump into this conversation, but i just want to point out a few things.

doyll Posts: 14,778 Rep: 1088 (Unique: 657)
shilka Posts: 31,509 Rep: 2274 (Unique: 1357)

these are obviously people who have a crap ton of exp in testing and evaluating different products and have earned their +rep because of all the people they've helped.

i'm not saying just because they have posts and rep makes their statements true, but what i am saying is enough members on OCN benefited from their contributions to the board to give them that many +rep and unique +rep.

their advice come from years of experience in both testing and researching about the various products on the market and they are trying to help you see pass all the marketing and giving you the information you need to get the best performance out of your rig. they aren't being paid by anyone to help or sell any product. they do this because they enjoy helping people sort through fact from marketing material/hype.

if you feel their advice is inadequate of flawed in anyway, you really ought to research other reputable boards like [H]ardocp or anandtech etc. however i think you will find the advice given would not stray too far from what you are getting here.

we aren't lying to you or trying to talk you into doing something that we don't feel is optimal for your system. we don't always agree with each other as far as advice given due to our own experiences and philosophies, but we are all trying to help you. so... you may want to consider dialing back your attitude and maybe actually listen to what people who are trying to help you are saying.

personally i'm not opposed to liquid cooling for the GPU. it's the most optimal way to cool 300+w of heat given the space constraints of the ATX specification. however, not all liquid cooling is created equal and it just happens that the AIO liquid coolers occupies the bottom end of the liquid cooling spectrum. AIO coolers are NOT built specifically for GPU's. most of the time you have to buy adapters or make your own adapters just to get it to fit on the GPU. with very few exceptions, AIO coolers does NOTHING for the VRM on the GPU... there are some specialized products that adapts a AIO cooler into a hybrid cooler system but at the end of the day, it's not what the AIO cooler was originally designed to do...

so... what it really comes down to is if you truly want to push your system, then get something that is specifically designed to cool the GPU. a full coverage GPU block for your vid card would be the most ideal way to cool your GPU. however if you want to go cheap and try for a hybrid AIO system, then your mileage will vary depending on how heavily you push your system. but if you simply buy an adapter and slap a random AIO cooler on a GPU.... well.. good luck with that biggrin.gif

general rule of thumb when it comes cooling. custom loop > high end AIO > high end air cooling. however, just because it is possible to cool better then air on a high end AIO doesn't you won't pay the decibel cost associated with that high end AIO to perform at that level. at the end of the day, the cooler with the best decibel cost / watt cooled belongs to the high end air cooler so it's up to you whether you feel it's worth the decibel cost to gain that 2 or 3 C difference.

the final advice i can offer is don't let hype and marketing material cloud your judgement. listen to people who have been researching and testing the various products and make your own judgement as to what you feel is best for your system.
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