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While it's true that chassis temperatures decrease overall with water-cooling, that doesn't mean components are actually running cooler.
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ayyy lmao, asus DC 2 btw
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You can see this outlined pretty clearly in several of those reviews I posted - a 290, even with the Kraken's fan blowing directly at the VRM, the VRM eventually get so hot that they eventually throttle the core, despite the core running nice and cool.
Didnt see a g10 review with vrm heatsink, wait do you think i will use the g10 hoping the bare vrms will be cooled with only rhe fan ? Also what do you mean by 'at the back of ther card', like where the backplate is ?
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The h55 is a LP Asetek v.3 pump
The x41 is a Asetek v.4.5 pump with speed control
The 3.0 performance is an Asetek v.3 pump (I think?)
The Arctic Hybrid is a v.4 Asetek pump, the Freezer a v.4.5
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There really is no significant difference between CLCs across the same revision other than a) the fans bundled and b) the firmware/controller features (USB, lighting, etc). Some have thinner or thicker radiators, but this doesn't seem to impact performance much (the thinner radiator of the x41 outperforms thicker radiators according to most review sites).

The pump of a particular generation will be exactly the same across that generation, regardless of brand name, with the exception of controls
Ok ok ok, assuming the pumps in the same revision make the same noise which revision has the quietest pump ?, does the arctic freezer series make the sqme noise as the x41 ?

Blowing air in a single direction is good, blowing air like a non-blower style cooler is not necesseraly good as the hot air is blow directly inside the case,heating the parts up. What the bracket + aio does is to allow the gpu heat to be pushed directly out of the case, imo the interior temp rise from vrm + fan will be negligible



Acually i meant positive pressure
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Right - like I said, overall chassis temps decrease, but that doesn't mean every component is being cooled as well.

They don't include VRM temperatures in that review, for example, and you'll notice from all of the previously posted reviews that air coolers on GPUs offer better VRM cooling than a CLC, again, even with heatsinks (see the HG10 reviews).
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Didnt see a g10 review with arm heatsink
There aren't any AFAIK, but from my experience I can say that you're looking at 5*-6*. This is what I mean when I say that heatsinks won't solve your airflow problem.
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wait do you think i will use the g10 hoping the bare vrms will be cooled with only rhe fan ?
I actually did this on my 470 SLI setup and didn't break with 80* according to my IR gun.
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Also what do you mean by 'at the back of ther card', like where the backplate is ?
I think you need to re-read my post... something is definitely being lost in translation.

I was referring to the 90mm fan on the g10.
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Ok ok ok, assuming the pumps in the same revision make the same noise which revision has the quietest pump ?,
As I've said repeatedly, the latest one.
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does the arctic freezer series make the sqme noise as the x41 ?
I have not used it, but it looks to be a LP pump, so it might be different (h55? These LP pumps are usually marketed as "low-noise," but I think that just means they run slower).

Edit: The Arctic looks a lot like the 510LX, their low-end pump, FWIW.
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Blowing air in a single direction is good, blowing air like a non-blower style cooler is not necesseraly good as the hot air is blow directly inside the case,heating the parts up. What the bracket + aio does is to allow the gpu heat to be pushed directly out of the case, imo the interior temp rise from vrm + fan will be negligible
You are either misunderstanding how all of this works or are confusing the NZXT G10 with the Corsair HG10.

The HG10, as pictured, uses an axial fan that pushes air laterally across the card, channeled through a duct, directing the air towards the pcie exhaust - much like reference GPUs.

The G10 uses a radial fan with no shroud that directs air towards the PCB, like non-reference air-cooling GPU solutions.
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Acually i meant positive pressure
[/quote]I don't know enough about physics, but generally when PC users talk about positive/negative pressure they are referring to the overall chassis, not a particular hot-spot or dead-spot, but I suppose those would be negative pressure?

All of that to say I'm not really sure what you're talking about when you're talking about pressure. Positive pressure = more intake than exhaust. Negative pressure = more exhaust than intake. It's not as much a question of what components are pushing around air in the chassis as what components are bringing air in and out of the chassis to be pushed around (I think...).
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http://forums.evga.com/Review-of-the-Corsair-Hydro-HG10-A1-bracket-m2314687.aspx
This have review with gelid heatsink.


I had the morpehus and g10, my experience is that neither is much better than other for vrm(even with a gigantic mid plate when I had morpheus). Simple fact is, morpheus use the hot air to blow back on to the vrm. Air in case is hotter as well.
I am not sure why you guys keep insisting the g10 will blow the vrm and pcb up.
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We all have said the same things to OP over and over. OP twists what we say trying to make it into what he wants. Not what the facts have proven or what the truth is. We give people knowledge. What they do with it is out of our hands. This guy is .. well .. out there somewhere that changing what we say to suit his beliefs rather then try to understand and learn.

I'm gone.

Anyone with any common sense will be too before much longer. thumb.gif
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"why the different tests for VRM1 vs VRM2?"

It's because I was comparing the HG10 A1 directly against the G10 (and a few others) wherein the G10 had something to cool one set of VRMs on the reference AMD 290(x) PCB but not the other. People neglect to see how VRM temps on the GPU are, and also if there are multiple VRM sets.

I also wanted to make another point now: the HG10 N1 onwards, a custom blower fan is included which no longer needs a reference blower fan. This fan is louder at the same RPM than the Nvidia reference blower fan but also blows more air. So holding this blower fan at 20-30% fan speed is plenty to cool down the VRMs but exceeding this would get loud. But there is another factor with the current HG10 units: the Chinese factory that makes them used poor quality standoffs on the bracket which break off easily. I understand this is being fixed now completely and affected customers have gotten working replacements but until I hear about a complete fix from my Corsair contacts I won't recommend a purchase.
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Yes, i knew that the blower fan on the hg10 was noisy (saw some youtube comments), @claes i'm sorry but i really think there is a communication problem between us as you stated at the beginning of your post.
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I'm not sure what you are saying here - are you referencing my expecience where heatsinks made 5-6* (emphasis on the hyphen, please) on my VRM (via, admiringly, inaccurate measurement), or are you referring to the thermalbench review?
By heatsinks i mean this right ?
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Because the thermal bench review is pretty clear, and only reaffirms what I was trying to clarify in my last post: the HG10 cools VRM better than the G10 (which apparently cools worse than reference on this testbed).

If I'm following, your logic here is that because the HG10 performs so well the G10 should perform similarly with heatsinks.
What the hell ? I cannot understand what you're trying to say here, i'm going anyway to post an answer to what i think your statements where meant to say . Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Did you actually read the review with the graphs ? This review is interesting because the g10 is tested both stock and wirh additional vrm heatsinks, that allows us to see that tiny heatsinks DO make a BIG difference on vrm cooling
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I'm pretty sure this just reaffirms my previous statement: heatsinks will definitely shave a few degrees off, but they aren't a solution for a lack of airflow
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The review analyses 2 vrm temps because, on the 290 there are 2 vrm located at opposed ends of the board (1 under the blower/g10 fan, 1 near the video ports with no cooler directly above ( hence the spotcool)) the thing is that i own a 780 ti, which regroups all the vrms under the g10 fan, so i couldn' care less for this vrm2 temps as neither of the vrm modules on the 780 ti with a g10 will suffer 'a lack of airflow'
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Both ciarlatano and I have tested/owned most of these units. We've offered our thoughts on what we have experience with. Good luck finding someone who cares about noise as much as either of us who has reviewed them all, or you could just take SPCR's advice, as the rest of us are encouraging:
Did ciarlatano test the h55, the water 3.0 performer and the arctic freezer series ? if yes could you tell him to come back and establish a comparison if there is even a slight pump noise difference between the models (and for the love of god PLEASE stop recommending the x41 on each and every aio answer you give me, i perfectly know it may be the quietest, thats probably why it's the most expensive too ( and if money wasn't a problem i would already be rocking a 5960x or 2 xeons with 3 980ti watercooled)
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Well, there is the gen 5 astek pump, I think cryorig and scythe have rebrand for that. Maybe you can try ask in the g10 thread. This is air cooling sub forum and clc got no love. smile.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1487012/official-nzxt-kraken-g10-owners-club/5100
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Thanks for the suggestions, didn't know scythe did AIOs (didnt find info on it though), i don't feel like hijacking the g10 club for this :if this thread continues to be updated or revived, it may serve as a basic guide for people that asked the same question and data will be more easily findable.
Also i created this thread because there was a case fan question along with the infamous quiet aio list demand, question which was not (or very loosely) answered too, unfortunately.
 
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@claes i'm sorry but i really think there is a communication problem between us as you stated at the beginning of your post.
Yes.
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By heatsinks i mean this right ?
What the hell ? I cannot understand what you're trying to say here, i'm going anyway to post an answer to what i think your statements where meant to say . Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Did you actually read the review with the graphs ? This review is interesting because the g10 is tested both stock and wirh additional vrm heatsinks, that allows us to see that tiny heatsinks DO make a BIG difference on vrm cooling
Right - I emphasized that difference as well and still maintain: heatsinks will not solve your airflow problem.

If your VRM are overheating currently with ASUS's DCII (which has a heatsink over the VRM already), you need better airflow.

Edit: I see now that one of my posts was deleted. There I emphasized that ThermalBench's results were dependent on airflow. While there was a 20* drop just with the addition of heatsinks, there was an additional 20* drop with the addition of airflow. Of course a 290 is different than a 470 than 780ti, so YMMV, but 290 VRM gets famously hot, as the 780ti, so TB's results are probably truer to your scenario.
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Thanks for the suggestions, didn't know scythe did AIOs (didnt find info on it though), i don't feel like hijacking the g10 club for this :if this thread continues to be updated or revived, it may serve as a basic guide for people that asked the same question and data will be more easily findable.
Also i created this thread because there was a case fan question along with the infamous quiet aio list demand, question which was not (or very loosely) answered too, unfortunately.
That's just the thing... you were initially recommended a fan for an additional intake because, here in the air cooling forum, everyone's thinking is that you'll try out an intake and avoid what we think is the disaster that is a CLC.

You then asked for a CLC, we encouraged you not to buy one, because, in our experiences, they are noisy (you can read ciarlatano's thoughts above - he offered them already).

The thinking is that an intake fan will solve your problems, because the DCII is a decent cooler. If not, an aftermarket air cooler should, while making less noise than a CLC.

You demand to know which CLC is the quietest, but we've all gone down this road, and SPCR agrees with ciarlatano - they all sound basically the same. I purchased ~8 CLC's for my setup in the search of the best noise profile and just ended up sticking with the 620s (v.1 asetek), because they sounded the same to me as the v.3 asetek units available at the time. Which one is quietest is basically a gamble based on your own experiences - Ciarlatano though the X31 was quieter than the X41, SPCR thought otherwise. If you check various review sites, they'll offer db measurements that are all basically the same but always different, but most will forego making any comment on the character or quality of the noise.

It seems you are committed to a CLC, so I'd encourage you to check out one of the water-cooling forums, where you will be assured that all of your market's available CLC options are completely silent and will outperform air any day of the week.
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Ok, ok, ok,i'll answer the peripheral questions and we'll see where this goes, hey maybe you guys could learn one thing or two in the process:
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Right - I emphasized that difference as well and still maintain: heatsinks will not solve your airflow problem.

If your VRM are overheating currently with ASUS's DCII (which has a heatsink over the VRM already), you need better airflow
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Heatsinks are a part of the solution of the problem.
Yes additional airflow will undoubtedly improve core and vrm temps, i could increase it by increasing the gpu fan speed (which i won't do) or by installing 140mm fans which i asked about a while back ago, receiving minimal elements of answers (someone telling me the fans i mentionned may be the best, another linking a guide of his own detailing cooling techniques and comparinng the said fan to few models from the same company). But i highly doubt it will be enough cool down the vrms be same amount as he review as the air is directly blown on the stock +additional vrm heatsinks in the test, while it is filtered by the whole DCUII heatsink only to cool the single stock vrm heatsink. If you are referring to the vrm2 temp to prove me the importance of airflow you are perfectly right, but i couldnt care less about this example : the 290 has 2(sets of?) Vrms located on 2 opposite ends of the card, so one of them is directly cooling from the start (vrm1, stock fan) while the other has no real airflow, hence the improvement.This is a good example and all but listen: the 780 ti ONLY HAS ONE SET OF VRMS LOCATED AT THE SAME SIDE (directly under the g10 from the start then) so this scenario doesnt apply to me and i do not need to maje adjustements to the g10 configuration to match any air cooler with my card.
Also if sole airflow could resolve my problem with this particular architecture,i wouldn't be asking for aios and there wouldn't be heckloads of other threads concerning the same issue
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The thinking is that an intake fan will solve your problems, because the DCII is a decent cooler. If not, an aftermarket air cooler should, while making less noise than a CLC.
Kinda and maybe.
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I purchased ~8 CLC's for my setup in the search of the best noise profile and just ended up sticking with the 620s (v.1 asetek), because they sounded the same to me as the v.3 asetek units available at the time
I'll take that, thank you, how much should i have had paid to get this kind information sooner than the 10th page ? Just tell me, can i use my master card ?
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Ciarlatano though the X31 was quieter than the X41, SPCR thought otherwise
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No offense but his test procedures seemed lousy imo, he kept the pumps at variable rpm
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if you check various review sites, they'll offer db measurements that are all basically the same but always different, but most will forego making any comment on the character or quality of the noise
Hence the thread
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it seems you are committed to a CLC, so I'd encourage you to check out one of the water-cooling forums, where you will be assured that all of your market's available CLC options are completely silent and will outperform air any day of the week
Ihere i have met one end of the spectrum with everyone saying all pumps make the same noise, if moving this thread makes me meet the other end saying they are all quiet then no thak you, either way only very scarce valuable information will be shared as it seems.(makes me thinks of doyll' black and white and gray quote or something, was it removed ?)
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