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Yes additional airflow will undoubtedly improve core and vrm temps, i could increase it by increasing the gpu fan speed (which i won't do) or by installing 140mm fans which i asked about a while back ago,
The former is fine and the latter is true - installing a 140mm would probably increase your temperatures, as would replacing that 200mm fan with something more efficient.
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receiving minimal elements of answers (someone telling me the fans i mentionned may be the best, another linking a guide of his own detailing cooling techniques and comparinng the said fan to few models from the same company).
I don't know what else you could expect... you were recommend what is often the most recommended fan on this forum and then referenced to a guide on airflow by one of the most reputable airflow editorialists on this site... at that point, the burden is on you...
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But i highly doubt it will be enough cool down the vrms be same amount as he review as the air is directly blown on the stock +additional vrm heatsinks in the test, while it is filtered by the whole DCUII heatsink only to cool the single stock vrm heatsink.
This is true, as I outlined a while back.

But, given that all of us think CLCs are noisy and intrusive (including SPCR), you might understand why we're more interested in keeping your card from throttling, the raison d'être of this thread, rather than getting you to buy a CLC, and so recommend good fans and intelligent airflow rather than introducing a component that will be more intrusive (noise-wise).
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This is a good example and all but listen: the 780 ti ONLY HAS ONE SET OF VRMS LOCATED AT THE SAME SIDE (directly under the g10 from the start then) so this scenario doesnt apply to me and i do not need to maje adjustements to the g10 configuration to match any air cooler with my card.
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Also if sole airflow could resolve my problem with this particular architecture,i wouldn't be asking for aios and there wouldn't be heckloads of other threads concerning the same issue
That's good and fine - enjoy your CLC gurgles and whines. thumb.gif

Still, as I've suggested again and again, using an example with much, much hotter VRM than your own (290/290x) - an aftermarket air cooler will offer better VRM cooling and similar core cooling while making signiciantly less noise.
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Kinda
You won't know until you try, thus the suggestion. Plus, while saving a bunch of money, you won't have to spend all of this time trying to find the best price/noise CLC...
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and maybe.
No, actually, it almost certainly will with a low probability of otherwise, as demonstrated in the loads of reviews I've posted showing so.

This should be painfully obvious from those results and a simple logic - if you introduce a component that makes a noise that doesn't sound like a fan into a system, it's going to be intrusive. If you introduce another fan, say a fan similar to the rest of your fans, it'll probably sound the same.
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I'll take that, thank you, how much should i have had paid to get this kind information sooner than the 10th page ? Just tell me, can i use my master card ?
I've been pretty clear about this throughout the thread: they all sound the same and they all sound bad... some are "quieter" than others, but that doesn't mean they aren't intrusive.
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Hence the thread
Tell that to SPCR... the reason I quoted the X41 review was to make a point: sure they get quieter, but they are still obnoxious - always, at least to anyone who cares.

If you spend a little time looking through SPCR's CLC reviews you'll notice all the same, and sometimes notice that they'll get 2 or 3 review samples after a bad review and all have different noise profiles.

Why? Asetek makes a lousy product with lousy quality control. Well, at least in terms of noise.
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Ihere i have met one end of the spectrum with everyone saying all pumps make the same noise, if moving this thread makes me meet the other end saying they are all quiet then no thak you, either way only very scarce valuable information will be shared as it seems.(makes me thinks of doyll' black and white and gray quote or something, was it removed ?)
You're missing the point - none of us think it's valuable. My 620 that I settled on sounded like crap, as did my Seidon 120m that SPCR loved, and later the x41 that everyone gleams over. I just went with the cheapest junk because I didn't want to further invest in junk only to reaffirm my disappointment.
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Thanks for keeping the thread alive
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installing a 140mm would probably increase your temperatures, as would replacing that 200mm fan with something more efficient.
I have replaced the 200mm from my case by the 140mm since the first day i powered up my rig, please see my reviews for details.
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I don't know what else you could expect... you were recommend what is often the most recommended fan on this forum and then referenced to a guide on airflow by one of the most reputable airflow editorialists on this site... at that point, the burden is on you...
I wasn't 'recommended' any fan, i was just told the fan i said may be the best among a few models i listed may effectively be the best among the ones i listed (no explaination whatsoever). The few fans i talked about is actually a part of the list of 'contenders' to the TY-14X series i listed analysing the results of Harware.fr Tests in my TY-147(A) review, excluding 'unstable' fans and the ones that were producing parasitic noises (i crossed the feedbacks with SPCR articles)
also, no offense but : Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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referenced to a guide on airflow by one of the most reputable airflow editorialists on this site
I have no use for an airflow guide if i haven' chosen and bought one or several fans in the first place
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But, given that all of us think CLCs are noisy and intrusive (including SPCR), you might understand why we're more interested in keeping your card from throttling, the raison d'être of this thread, rather than getting you to buy a CLC, and so recommend good fans and intelligent airflow rather than introducing a component that will be more intrusive (noise-wise).
Still the results will be a fraction of the ones expected going from the stock cooler to an AIO. Also my goal is not to simply 'keep alive' my gpu at merely OCed speeds, i want to be able to use a customs bios with my mind in peace about the vrm and core temps, and having less noise at load due to the safe margin that efficient aio cooling will give me, allowing me to reduce the fan speed.
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DCII is a decent cooler
kinda
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have to spend all of this time trying to find the best price/noise CLC
does that mean you dont expect anyone in these forums to help me in my thread ?

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This should be painfully obvious from those results and a simple logic - if you introduce a component that makes a noise that doesn't sound like a fan into a system, it's going to be intrusive. If you introduce another fan, say a fan similar to the rest of your fans, it'll probably sound the same.
Dude i don't freaking know, i have never used any CLC and i don't think it is possible to 'simulate' how it will affect me. All aios make pump noise ? FINE just tell me the one that does the least (FROM THE ONES I ASKED ABOUT), when i'm convinced that this particular aio is viewed as the quietest for the price, i'll order and test it so i can have a reference of a 'quieter' aio, if i doesn't satisfy me, i will know that as 'ALL AIOS SOUND THE SAME', i won't really find a better product for the time being and i will happily buy a second HR-02 for my GPU.
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I've been pretty clear about this throughout the thread: they all sound the same and they all sound bad... some are "quieter" than others, but that doesn't mean they aren't intrusive.
By 'information' i meant the details, not the 'facts'.
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If you spend a little time looking through SPCR's CLC reviews you'll notice all the same, and sometimes notice that they'll get 2 or 3 review samples after a bad review and all have different noise profiles.
Why? Asetek makes a lousy product with lousy quality control. Well, at least in terms of noise.
Please provide the link to the mentionned review(s).
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You're missing the point - none of us think it's valuable. My 620 that I settled on sounded like crap, as did my Seidon 120m that SPCR loved, and later the x41 that everyone gleams over. I just went with the cheapest junk because I didn't want to further invest in junk only to reaffirm my disappointment.
Have you tried both products at fixed and lower pump speed ?
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Like the majority here, I recommend against getting a CLC.

They have several drawbacks:
  • There is always the risk of pump failure. The pumps on most CLCs simply do not supply enough pressure for undervolting, unlike custom loop parts.
  • Risk of leaks is also a problem, especially with the cheap AIOs that are not well built.
  • Over time, the liquid will evaporate, so it will die over time.
  • The performance to noise ratio compared to the top air coolers is not actually that good.

I'm not the biggest fan of Asus GPUs. This is an advertisement for MSI, but it does show the weak points of some of the Asus Cooltech GPU fans (found on the 780Ti and 290X Matrix) - not enough static pressure:


A while back I remember this test data too:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1286218/twin-frozr-4-vs-directcu-ii

It'd be interesting to see how the latest Direct CU variant would fare against the latest TriFrozr.




Basically I went with the second option for the poll - go with a good air cooler or go with full water.

If you want to go with air cooling, then I'd recommend something like the Raijentek Morpheus - make sure you upgrade the fans though (I'd recommend a pair of PWM modded high speed Gentle Typhoons tied to a Gelid PWM splitter, tied to a GPU adapter):
http://www.raijintek.com/en/products_detail.php?ProductID=11

It will look something like these 2 images:

I do recommend though that you keep the backplate on your GPU to prevent GPU sag.

Another option might be the Arctic Cooling GPU coolers. I'm not sure which one does better.




Otherwise, if you insist on going the AIO option, your best bet would be to go with the Swiftech H220X and then swapping the CPU block for a GPU universal block. You'll still need to get VRM cooling though (I'd recommend the Enzotech forged copper heatsinks) + ensure that you have plenty of airflow. The EK predator is another option.

The only upgrade after that would be totally custom loops. They can get very expensive very quickly, although most of the components can be reused.
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Thanks for providing quality content, though i am slightly saddened that it is not directly related to the purpose of this thread.
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Risk of leaks is also a problem, especially with the cheap AIOs that are not well built.
Could you please estimate the pricetag separating 'cheap' and other AIOs ?
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The performance to noise ratio compared to the top air coolers is not actually that good
Does this statement include VRM cooling and the situation where the user swaps the stock fans with quality fans (ie Gentle Typhoons) ?

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I'm not the biggest fan of Asus GPUs. This is an advertisement for MSI, but it does show the weak points of some of the Asus Cooltech GPU fans (found on the 780Ti and 290X Matrix) - not enough static pressure:


A while back I remember this test data too:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1286218/twin-frozr-4-vs-directcu-ii

It'd be interesting to see how the latest Direct CU variant would fare against the latest TriFrozr.
you may be interested by comparing Techpowerup's review (MSI, ASUS)
Also i didn't have a broad choice of GPU when ordering my PC parts as the Asus was the only Refurbrished 780 ti available for sale on the trusted website)
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If you want to go with air cooling, then I'd recommend something like the Raijentek Morpheus - make sure you upgrade the fans though (I'd recommend a pair of PWM modded high speed Gentle Typhoons tied to a Gelid PWM splitter, tied to a GPU adapter):
http://www.raijintek.com/en/products_detail.php?ProductID=11

It will look something like these 2 images:

I do recommend though that you keep the backplate on your GPU to prevent GPU sag.
Does this solution offer decent VRM cooling on my specific GPU ?, Also i do not think this solution, and most of the aftermarket air coolers will fit in my current setup
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Otherwise, if you insist on going the AIO option, your best bet would be to go with the Swiftech H220X and then swapping the CPU block for a GPU universal block. You'll still need to get VRM cooling though (I'd recommend the Enzotech forged copper heatsinks) + ensure that you have plenty of airflow. The EK predator is another option.

The only upgrade after that would be totally custom loops. They can get very expensive very quickly, although most of the components can be reused.
While the Swiftech and EK seem to be a powerful solution, cheaper than a custom loop, i stated in the first page of this thread that these solutions are still expensive compared to my ideas, also they may not fit neither.
 
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Hi everyone, i posted a little test, feel free to comment.

The Direct CU II design is not that bad actually, they just need a few more VRM heatsinks

Edit: test is not here, TL:DR removed PSU cover, GPU temps dropped by 13 degrees, thanks myself for suggesting me this idea.
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Here is my view on GPU cooling.

Ultimately, you are trying to get more performance while keeping the same or less noise profile right?

Clc+g10 will cost you say 70usd at least, which let you sell the 780ti, your can get a 970.

I had went through the same loop,
1. I got clc +g10, pump noise, fan resonance on radiator, so it is out.
2. Morpheus+ 2 fan(the pic above with the mid plate is my pic from spcr, btw the gt resonance like **** on that heatsink, swapped for other fan), cost around the same as above but no pump noise, but vrm is still hot, it oc better some what better compare to say tri x etc.

After all this feat,I still find the performance not enough for my need.

3. What I am using now, is a r9 fury with 3 zip tied 90 x25mm fan.

These 3 fan only cost me 7 each.

My thought is why waste the heatsink , swap the fan for cheap, if it still don't perform well, actually upgrade to a better GPU save you time and money in the long run.

Yea, then there is coil whine, that I can't beat, so my rig is in my closet now.
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Hi everyone, i posted a little test, feel free to comment.

The Direct CU II design is not that bad actually, they just need a few more VRM heatsinks

Edit: test removed, TL:DR removed PSU cover, GPU temps dropped by 13 degrees, thanks myself for suggesting me this idea.
So... after all of that, turns out airflow was your problem and you saved a bunch of money! thumb.gif Who would've guessed?! rolleyes.gif

Too bad you didn't get into Doyll's better ways to air-cool - there are some tricks in there that'll knock off a few more degrees wink.giftongue.gif

P.S. SPCR has a bunch of audio recordings on their site... and youtube exists... listen to a few recordings of CLCs and you'll understand why we think you're beating your head against a wall.
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Thank you claes
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MadjinnSayan wrote 10 lines about TY-147 saying uses ball bears when It has EHFBearing, and references a Hardware.fr review from 2/14/2013 with no TY-147 fan test in it. There is no TY-147A review I could find at this time.
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MadjinnSayan wrote 10 lines about TY-147 saying uses ball bears when It has EHFBearing, and references a Hardware.fr review from 2/14/2013 with no TY-147 fan test in it. There is no TY-147A review I could find at this time
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I never mentionned the bearing of the fans in my review (though i removed come contenders using sleeve bearing ie TY-149, but i did this on my own).Either way the review was only meant to prove that the contender fans may compete with the entier thermaltake TY-14X series.
Please stop addressing other utilisators in my own and other's threads with posts in the same fashion as the one quoted above in order to seemingly prevent me getting the answers i want from anyone else than you, thank you.
Please also consider stopping the systematic and imo excessive reporting of my posts 'for trolling' mentionning you in a direct oo indirect way, not to personnaly attack your person or attempt to disrespct you, but to provide in constructive criticism related to the evemenents that have happened and are happening between you and me. If you consider you are not responsible for the said reporting, please accept my apologies for the speculations i'm presenting here and maybe forward this message to the person(s) responsible of these actions if you happened to know directly or indirectly his/their entity.
Edited by MadjinnSayan - 2/7/16 at 9:49pm
 
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