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To share some things further,

I've used Nvidia and AMD cards in the past. But my primary firepower for the past 6 years is a Sapphire ATI 5970. I was forced to upgrade after that beast died on me and I took the very wrong and lonely choice of GTX 970 and got into a hellish coil whine trip with GTX 970.

RMAed and panic like heck with the GTX 970 twice (coil whine is normal? gimme a break Nvidia board partner) and after much frustration, went back to Team Red.

That ATI 5970 beast lasted me 6 long mighty years. So yes, Sapphire products are probably the best if you are looking for an AMD card. Their engineering is rock solid and I consider them Tier 1 AMD card manufacturer. And their card designs (and also box designs) are probably the best of the best.

If you are from a R7/R8 or GTX 950/960 series camp, theres no regret going over to R390 (runs cooler, quieter than R290/R290x reference). Performance rocks. Fps on par or even beats GTX 980 (after overclocking Sapphire R390 to become R390x with MSI afterburner).

Throw in AMD FreeSync, LiquidVR, Eyefinity, Virtual Super Resolution, Frame Rate Control etc and we got serious competition.
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Windows locks up before giving any programs a chance from applying voltage/clock.

Like i said, depends how much you overclock is. And the situation is terrible.


I overclock my Sapphire Nitro R390 in minute increments. If I overclock without fine tuning, yes the situation is 'terrible'. Same like GTX 970 and GTX 980...

I use +10 increments for GPU and memory clocks. and +5 increment for overvolt (MSI will apply it as +6 for some strange reason).

I use +50 for power limit before I use overvolt. Overvolt is my last resort if power limit doesn't give me more fps.
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For the longest time, I thought either my cpu, or ram was causing reboots, but it turned out to be too low of an "aux voltage" level, so too much undervolting might be an issue even if stable at the benchmarks. The driver can recover from gpu errors, however memory controller errors are entirely irreconcilable.
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I'm using a Sapphire Nitro 390X for about a month now, and I also had a Gigabyte GTX 980 G1 for a while during the summer. To be honest; my experience with the 390X is a lot better so far. Runs cooler and noticeably quieter. I still can hear the fan noise and the screeching coils of G1 when I close my eyes... damn.

I also didn't have any crash, freeze or bsod issue so far. I did have some with the GTX 980 though. Flash and browser hardware acceleration stuff were causing driver crashes. So that one is actually not an AMD-only issue. I actually hear more problems from my Nvidia user friends on this matter.

Fan speed problem got fixed a while ago. Right now it's all good. On the other hand I strongly disaggree that AMD cards have inefficient cooling compared to Nvidia counterparts. Sapphire, MSI, Powercolor, XFX; all have very good coolers. All of those reviews and lots of Nvidia users were praising the Gigabyte G1 cooler to the skies. Well I've used it, and it's probably the worst graphics card I had in my 25 years spent with PCs. I believe when it comes to Nvidia people just can't help but become extremely biased.

About the drivers. Well... there are still problems here and there. But Nvidia is not perfect as well. Look how their cards having terrible stutters in Rise of the Tomb Raider (even though it's an Nvidia backed game) with their "game ready" drivers. But even though AMD didn't release optimized drivers on day 1, the performance was not bad at all. Same with Tom Clancy's Division. A 290X easily beats a 980 in benchmarks, and a 280x on par with a 970. I wonder what will actually happen when DirectX 12 titles, like Hitman and Deus Ex start coming.
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if your looking at 390 and 390x but don't want those problems your currently stating then I suggest u get the 290 or 290x and OC them to 390 or 390x spec. Only REAL difference between these cards is the price and the VRAM (4gb vs 8gb)
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I found this interesting. Might be worth to have a look whether it comes with 6+8 pin connectors, or 8+8 to check the VRM layout of these cards. The new version is the one receiving high praise for silent operation I believe.

Both of mine had the 6+8 and the one failed in less than a day and the other was DOA. Perhaps the 8+8 is the way to go smile.gif
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if your looking at 390 and 390x but don't want those problems your currently stating then I suggest u get the 290 or 290x and OC them to 390 or 390x spec. Only REAL difference between these cards is the price and the VRAM (4gb vs 8gb)

I would agree about a 290 over 390 personally, from what I've stumbled around the extra 4GB the 390 has to offer doesn't really do much. Anyway, I don't know how relevant this is to you, since I'm on a water cooled system, but here's what my 290 has been like.

I have a Sapphire Reference 290 (The one with the stock blower cooler) with a full cover Copper/Acetal EK water block on it with a triple rad and my life has been pretty swell.

I don't play all the latest greatest games, like Witcher 3, BF4 and whatnot, but every game I've played with it has been great.

Multi-monitor is only an issue for me in Eyefinity, resizing windows on the desktop gets wonky and makes Windows Aero crash. Solved by installing DisplayFusion. In games it's great as long as the game supports it. Eyefinity in gaming has some of the same roadblocks as Surround, so I won't delve into that. One thing that's interesting is that my monitor on HDMI seems to wake up faster than the ones on DVI...

Temps have been super great (I hope so lol) and Overclocks weren't too bad. I used MSI afterburner and just set profiles as I overclocked and ran benchmarks so that it would move back to a stable clock when rebooting. Currently I am at 1135MHz Core Clock and 1420Mhz Memory clock as per the software.

The new CCC (can I call it that in this case?) interface with Crimson is a little wonky and could use some work, but it still works for me just fine. Every once in an odd while I get some "Catalyst Control Center could not start" or some nonsense, usually either goes away or is fixed with a reboot lol.

In short, my experience with the card has been fantastic, and I am excited for Polaris smile.gif

I have a buddy though with an XFX 290 that is not watercooled. I could ask him later what his experience has been, although I know he hasn't done any overclocking. As far as I know he likes his card a lot and hasn't had any problems.

Hopefully that helped at least a little. The game of graphics cards is a hard one to play...
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Save it as a profile and apply it yourself. You can just as easily turn off the option of automatic overclocking at every start-up.

What option? where? on crimson driver panel? haven't seen it.
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I overclock my Sapphire Nitro R390 in minute increments. If I overclock without fine tuning, yes the situation is 'terrible'. Same like GTX 970 and GTX 980...

I use +10 increments for GPU and memory clocks. and +5 increment for overvolt (MSI will apply it as +6 for some strange reason).

I use +50 for power limit before I use overvolt. Overvolt is my last resort if power limit doesn't give me more fps.

Doesn't fix the issue at all once you get to high levels of overclock. Once it fails (or you simply forget to reset the overclock before shutting down your computer), you are left with no choice but to boot in safe mode and uninstall the drivers.

And if you overclock to actually play games like me, sometimes the card locks up hours into the game. So, finetuning can take a lot of time. And like I said before once you get to higher numbers its an insta-lockup at the login screen.
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What option? where? on crimson driver panel? haven't seen it.
Ah! I was speaking about MSI Afterburner. You can literally do the same with an AMD profile. The instructions are here. It requires some notepad modification at the most.
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Having owned 5770 crossfire, 6970, 6970 corssfire, 7970, 7970 crossfire and now 290 crossfire. I will say AMD cards are a total fail from both stability and performance aspects.

- Crossfire support is mostly crap, and can will occasionally even run worse than just one card
- random stuttering in some games
- These new crimson drivers are crap also, with useless menus and hard to find options. The old UI was actually better, and infact the advanced options are actually hidden in the old UI


The ONLY things that keep me on AMD is the better price, and the better multi monitor support and features on AMD (the only thing AMD has actually gotten right...)
    
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