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Actually I was pretty happy with both my 290x's until the crimson startup bug appeared. I was also happy with my ati 9700 and my 4870x2 which lasted me until last year.

I also cannot say the performance is crap because its not true. They are really good and keep getting better with time.

I'm always surprised how AMD with a fraction of nvidia's budget can put out cards like it always seems to do: Fast and affordable. They don't have the budget but they have the minds
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Originally Posted by iCrap View Post

Having owned 5770 crossfire, 6970, 6970 corssfire, 7970, 7970 crossfire and now 290 crossfire. I will say AMD cards are a total fail from both stability and performance aspects.

- Crossfire support is mostly crap, and can will occasionally even run worse than just one card
- random stuttering in some games
- These new crimson drivers are crap also, with useless menus and hard to find options. The old UI was actually better, and infact the advanced options are actually hidden in the old UI


The ONLY things that keep me on AMD is the better price, and the better multi monitor support and features on AMD (the only thing AMD has actually gotten right...)

Opposite experience here. My 290s just work. I don't even use DDU.
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Having owned 960's, 970's, 290's and 290x's, I will offer my two cents. I say stay where you are and then grab a cheap used 980 or 980ti once Pascal arrives and the early adopters try to recoup some of their investment.

The 290 cards are fine as long as everything is working from a driver and hardware standpoint. I've had half of my 290 series fail and two DOA. If you're on a 1080p screen a 960 should get you by as long as you're comfortable with adjusting some settings. But that's the case with any card on any game anyway to some degree.

I like AMD and the tech they bring. But their timing is awful, either way too soon or too late.

If I wait, I'll maybe wait for AMD Summer release see what's coming from them, not Pascal rolleyes.gif
About the driver standpoint - this is the most interesting for me - as I think this can cause the largest amount of problems - and I think many of the reported problems are having causes in the driver.
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I found this interesting. Might be worth to have a look whether it comes with 6+8 pin connectors, or 8+8 to check the VRM layout of these cards. The new version is the one receiving high praise for silent operation I believe.
But the 2x 8 PCI-E uses more energy. Is this the same for the R9 390 or only for the 290 series?
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I'm using a Sapphire Nitro 390X for about a month now, and I also had a Gigabyte GTX 980 G1 for a while during the summer. To be honest; my experience with the 390X is a lot better so far. Runs cooler and noticeably quieter. I still can hear the fan noise and the screeching coils of G1 when I close my eyes... damn.

I also didn't have any crash, freeze or bsod issue so far. I did have some with the GTX 980 though. Flash and browser hardware acceleration stuff were causing driver crashes. So that one is actually not an AMD-only issue. I actually hear more problems from my Nvidia user friends on this matter.

Fan speed problem got fixed a while ago. Right now it's all good. On the other hand I strongly disaggree that AMD cards have inefficient cooling compared to Nvidia counterparts. Sapphire, MSI, Powercolor, XFX; all have very good coolers. All of those reviews and lots of Nvidia users were praising the Gigabyte G1 cooler to the skies. Well I've used it, and it's probably the worst graphics card I had in my 25 years spent with PCs. I believe when it comes to Nvidia people just can't help but become extremely biased.

About the drivers. Well... there are still problems here and there. But Nvidia is not perfect as well. Look how their cards having terrible stutters in Rise of the Tomb Raider (even though it's an Nvidia backed game) with their "game ready" drivers. But even though AMD didn't release optimized drivers on day 1, the performance was not bad at all. Same with Tom Clancy's Division. A 290X easily beats a 980 in benchmarks, and a 280x on par with a 970. I wonder what will actually happen when DirectX 12 titles, like Hitman and Deus Ex start coming.

Thanks for the well organized answer, to the point of the questions I raised.
People complain a lot about Crimson, but is 15.11.1 CCC a solid rock, for the moment? Can you rely on it on a daily basis to not let you down?
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I would agree about a 290 over 390 personally, from what I've stumbled around the extra 4GB the 390 has to offer doesn't really do much. Anyway, I don't know how relevant this is to you, since I'm on a water cooled system, but here's what my 290 has been like.

I have a Sapphire Reference 290 (The one with the stock blower cooler) with a full cover Copper/Acetal EK water block on it with a triple rad and my life has been pretty swell.

I don't play all the latest greatest games, like Witcher 3, BF4 and whatnot, but every game I've played with it has been great.

Multi-monitor is only an issue for me in Eyefinity, resizing windows on the desktop gets wonky and makes Windows Aero crash. Solved by installing DisplayFusion. In games it's great as long as the game supports it. Eyefinity in gaming has some of the same roadblocks as Surround, so I won't delve into that. One thing that's interesting is that my monitor on HDMI seems to wake up faster than the ones on DVI...

Temps have been super great (I hope so lol) and Overclocks weren't too bad. I used MSI afterburner and just set profiles as I overclocked and ran benchmarks so that it would move back to a stable clock when rebooting. Currently I am at 1135MHz Core Clock and 1420Mhz Memory clock as per the software.

The new CCC (can I call it that in this case?) interface with Crimson is a little wonky and could use some work, but it still works for me just fine. Every once in an odd while I get some "Catalyst Control Center could not start" or some nonsense, usually either goes away or is fixed with a reboot lol.

In short, my experience with the card has been fantastic, and I am excited for Polaris smile.gif

I have a buddy though with an XFX 290 that is not watercooled. I could ask him later what his experience has been, although I know he hasn't done any overclocking. As far as I know he likes his card a lot and hasn't had any problems.

Hopefully that helped at least a little. The game of graphics cards is a hard one to play...

Thanks for all the information!
Don't you get the messages from Windows that the driver crashed and has recovered - with Crimson? I think I saw that a lot.

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Originally Posted by iCrap View Post

Having owned 5770 crossfire, 6970, 6970 corssfire, 7970, 7970 crossfire and now 290 crossfire. I will say AMD cards are a total fail from both stability and performance aspects.

- Crossfire support is mostly crap, and can will occasionally even run worse than just one card
- random stuttering in some games
- These new crimson drivers are crap also, with useless menus and hard to find options. The old UI was actually better, and infact the advanced options are actually hidden in the old UI


The ONLY things that keep me on AMD is the better price, and the better multi monitor support and features on AMD (the only thing AMD has actually gotten right...)

Oh, I heard these as well, that Crossfire is in a disaster state. Fortunately, I don't plan for such a configuration, and have read that single GPU AMD is a bit safer - only that I try to find out exactly how much.

More exactly, if there's a tuple { OS_version, driver_version, manufacturer_r9390/r9380} which works out of the box and is stable enough to not have to fiddle day in day out will all sorts of settings, fan profiles and monitoring tools to make sure it all works.

By the way, I only have a 620W PSU, although its Seasonic and I've heard that it may be capable to hold the 300W requirement of the 390. I don't know about the image which shows up to 375W for the 2 x 8PCI-E connectors and if that stands for 390 as well?
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If I wait, I'll maybe wait for AMD Summer release see what's coming from them, not Pascal rolleyes.gif
About the driver standpoint - this is the most interesting for me - as I think this can cause the largest amount of problems - and I think many of the reported problems are having causes in the driver.
But the 2x 8 PCI-E uses more energy. Is this the same for the R9 390 or only for the 290 series?
Thanks for the well organized answer, to the point of the questions I raised.
People complain a lot about Crimson, but is 15.11.1 CCC a solid rock, for the moment? Can you rely on it on a daily basis to not let you down?
Thanks for all the information!
Don't you get the messages from Windows that the driver crashed and has recovered - with Crimson? I think I saw that a lot.
Oh, I heard these as well, that Crossfire is in a disaster state. Fortunately, I don't plan for such a configuration, and have read that single GPU AMD is a bit safer - only that I try to find out exactly how much.

More exactly, if there's a tuple { OS_version, driver_version, manufacturer_r9390/r9380} which works out of the box and is stable enough to not have to fiddle day in day out will all sorts of settings, fan profiles and monitoring tools to make sure it all works.

By the way, I only have a 620W PSU, although its Seasonic and I've heard that it may be capable to hold the 300W requirement of the 390. I don't know about the image which shows up to 375W for the 2 x 8PCI-E connectors and if that stands for 390 as well?

A Seasonic 620W unit will be enough to power a 390 even if you overclock.

I didn't get any "driver crashed and has recovered" message yet. I remember getting it on my good old radeon 7870 occassionally though and also couple of times on the GTX 980 that I had for a while. It's mostly a problem with the flash stuff. Hope we see it completely dead soon.

About Crimson drivers... Well, even though I didn't have any issues yet with the Crimson and also didn't find it hard to navigate at all (actually I find the new UI quite good) it still needs a lot of improvements. But I'm sure they will get there. Right now I don't see any reason to not rely on it.

Since I have Sapphire Nitro 390X, I can talk about its cooling. It works out of the box and is stable enough. The default fan curve is not aggressive at all and can keep the card cool at the same time. The fans not spin until the card reaches certain temperature and the fans work independently. If the load is not that much then just one or two of the fans kick in. You can download Sapphire Trixx to make custom fan curves but unfortunately we can't make custom curve for each of the fans. It just applies 3 of the fans. For me, the default fan curve is good enough for now. I didn't see it goes over 45% speed which is dead silent and managed to keep the gpu just under 70C. If you want higher speeds with a custom fan profile then I must say that the fan noise starts to get audible after 60% and is unbearable at 100%, but if you use padded headset then it won't be a problem.
Edited by ziggystardust - 2/3/16 at 12:00pm
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I don't think I've ever seen that message on this card. I used to get it with a buggy driver on a GTX 460 SE lol. I may have seen it once over the period of owning the card, but if so I don't remember when lol. Maybe I'm lucky, but my card has been pretty stable. My buddy with the XFX 290 says he hasn't either.
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Ah! I was speaking about MSI Afterburner. You can literally do the same with an AMD profile. The instructions are here. It requires some notepad modification at the most.
[Source]

That's what I did to overclock. I didn't go too crazy, but it worked well for me. Haven't tried OC with the driver panel.
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General perception that Crimson drivers bring a lot of problems and frustration to users, as oposed to CCC 15.1.1 beta drivers, which from my readings seem to be the most stable ones.
Q: Is this a general accepted situation - that CCC 15.11.1 beta is the way to go for the time being, until Crimson gets more stable?


I never had any stability issues with Crimson, or much of any serious issue for that matter. I never heard of stability issues with it, only of missing features and of the fan issue that some people were experienceing.

Users mention the need of having custom fan profiles set up, as the default ones tend to let the card overheat. Also, Crimson drivers have the "fan stuck at 20%" bug on several R9 3xx models, as reported by various users.
Users recommend the older, pre-Crimson drivers as a safe harbor for now. Is this true - efficient -will it work with every game/application?


Should be fixed by now, I think. I never had it so I cannot deny/confirm.

Users mention that at release time R9 300 were sort-of unusable - again - poor performance in games, random crashes - then the CCC drivers got updated - after some months, and they were good enough - then the Crimson drivers were launched - and the problems and frustration returned. Is this the way things progressed?

I have no problems with my 290 at least. Same with the 7870XT I ran before that. (that card did require to notch up the power limit in AMD settings or MSI AfterBurner, to get full gaming performance though. But it was only limiting by like 20%. And reviewers were running it with the limitation anyhow.)

Some users even mention crashes and freezes when using hardware accelerated desktop applications such as browser. Is this still a driver related problem or present all around, or at random?

I'd speculate that this is fixed for good, as I had it for a brief while, but not anymore.
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Judging by most of your replies, it seems like the devil is not so black as he is painted with current AMD cards/drivers.
Especially the denial of the supposed random freezes and the non-problematic Crimson reports have made me more confident to give AMD cards a shot.
I also took note of the Sapphire brand, which seems to be the best choice for AMD cards, at least from multiple of your replies.

How about ASUS Strix though, I am very content of their job with the GTX 960 - aren't they good to go from the box with their AMD releases? Like with the fan curve etc.?

At least with the Gigabyte R9 390, the reports and frustration looked big from reading forums.
I know I can't take for granted every frustrated report I see about a product and that a lot of users are non-technical and can easily mess up their installation or may have other software interfering with the good-going of their graphics cards. Maybe you have some other input as well.
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Judging by most of your replies, it seems like the devil is not so black as he is painted with current AMD cards/drivers.
Especially the denial of the supposed random freezes and the non-problematic Crimson reports have made me more confident to give AMD cards a shot.
I also took note of the Sapphire brand, which seems to be the best choice for AMD cards, at least from multiple of your replies.

How about ASUS Strix though, I am very content of their job with the GTX 960 - aren't they good to go from the box with their AMD releases? Like with the fan curve etc.?

At least with the Gigabyte R9 390, the reports and frustration looked big from reading forums.
I know I can't take for granted every frustrated report I see about a product and that a lot of users are non-technical and can easily mess up their installation or may have other software interfering with the good-going of their graphics cards. Maybe you have some other input as well.

The sapphire is a proven brand n thus probably your safest bet for the r390 or r390x. Have u newegged and amazoned abt the asus strix. How r the reviews for the strix. Sometimes we have to be careful. Just like gigabyte motherboards r solid but their r390 has louder fans. Corsair hx platinum powr suppplies whine like a siren when paired with a palit gtx 970 (and its the power supply making the loudest whine. weird huh)
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How about ASUS Strix though, I am very content of their job with the GTX 960 - aren't they good to go from the box with their AMD releases? Like with the fan curve etc.?

Reviews show that Strix 390 is having kinda hard times keeping the card cool. It went up to 87C in Guru3D's test for example. People keep saying that Asus cut corners with that Strix edition and used the same cooler as 980ti without tailoring it to 390s. But still it's better to look for user reviews at Newegg and Amazon, or wait here to someone with Asus Strix 390 to share some insights.
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- GET R9 390 NITRO
- ENJOY 8GBs OF VRAM

GTX 980 IS OVER-PRICED, SAME FOR GTX 980TI, FURY and FURY X.


R9 390 really give you great performance for its price and especially
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGfnieUFAtg

If any question I think you should as this guy on vid.

And remember this: dont go CF or SLI... unless you will play very well optimized DX12 games in future... or VR.

PS: 14nm is coming it might be overpriced for a year or two... but you will do well with R9 390... and when you will need more power get 14nm card. Probably you may get better performance then GTX 980Ti for 300-400$ in two years.
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