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Hey so I am curious if anyone has replaced rivets with M4 screws or any screws really, and what there experience was. I am not meaning replacing Rivets with Screws and bolts, I mean like tapping the rivet holes and using M4 screws.

I am worried about how rigid it would be, and if it would hold up. The case I want to do it too is a LD PC-V4 test bench the Aluminium panels are fairly thick (I think they are a few MMs I will know exactly in a few days when it arrives).

The goal is to be able to remove the top and bottom from the sides easily it is riveted by default and also seems you can rotate the top which I plan to do. I want to make it easy to remove though. The problem with bolts is with the case fully loaded the panels need to be removable is the goal. If the rads are in amongst all the other things this will not be possible. If I have to then using bots and jb weleding them to the inside is an option that way they are there in place at all times, however tapping to me seems easier.
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PCs vibrate
Screws loosen due to vibration
PC falls apart
Not saying it can't be done
Aluminum is awfully soft metal to tap screws into and put stress onto
I just don't know if your case can remain solid w/out rivets
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You could use lock washers. These would prevent vibrations from loosening screws. At least for an extended period of time.
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post #4 of 35
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PCs vibrate
Screws loosen due to vibration
PC falls apart
Not saying it can't be done
Aluminum is awfully soft metal to tap screws into and put stress onto
I just don't know if your case can remain solid w/out rivets

Ya I think the Alu is too soft as well. "I just don't know if your case can remain solid w/out rivets" well no I do not think this is true as if you go look at case labs or other higher quality cases there is no rivets in them at all. Everything is screwed, EVERYTHING. As a matter of fact LD sadly seems to be the odd man out with the use of rivets as they are in the Case Labs/Moutain Mods arena however MM and CL dont use rivets.
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You could use lock washers. These would prevent vibrations from loosening screws. At least for an extended period of time.

Hmm okay so Locknuts? The only way I can use a nut is if I JB Weld it to the panel as I will not be able to access it from the inside.

This is the case for reference,
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Those other cases were also designed with no rivets to start with. It makes a difference.
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Those other cases were also designed with no rivets to start with. It makes a difference.

Umm, no I do not thick so, in what way does that make a difference? I am not talking about using a cheap Chinese case and replacing rivets on paper thin steel sheet. The LD case I am going to do this too has the same quality same materiel's and thickness as those cases.

There cases use C channel to mount panel to panel for some of them for some aspects but even the channel is barely thicker. The LD cases implore the same C channel design in the other cases just a bench is well a bench lol.
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Those other cases were also designed with no rivets to start with. It makes a difference.

Correct. the threaded area is actually reinforced with steel.
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Correct. the threaded area is actually reinforced with steel.

False Case labs contains no steel in there cases.

From there site,

"Our cases are manufactured using only heavy gauge all aluminum construction. Unlike some imports using thin .040'' (1mm) aluminum, our cases are made from .090” (2.3mm) for the frame and .063” (1.6mm) for the doors and exterior covers. The Mercury side covers are made from .050'' (1.3mm). This heavy gauge material creates a case that can stand up to the rigors of large scale water cooling and frequent system tear-downs. Aluminum is much lighter than steel, dissipates heat better, and is easier to mod."

Then it would help if you owned or seen a case labs case, there isn't any steel plates behind the screw areas. Where you came up with this idea IDK but you are wrong neither case labs or mountain mods uses steel at all.
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False Case labs contains no steel in there case.

My statement was straight out of the mouths of CL representatives numerous times on this very form when explaining why CL cases cost so much more than their raw materials and outward appearance would suggest.

Unless you have evidence to prove otherwise, I'm going to trust CL reps know more about their own cases than you do.
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My statement was straight out of the mouths of CL representatives numerous times on this very form when explaining why CL cases cost so much more than their raw materials and outward appearance would suggest.

Unless you have evidence to prove otherwise, I'm going to trust CL reps know more about their own cases than you do.

Look at the edit, or look at the case lol. How you think they did that exactly? you think they melted in steel into the Alu?

BTW my point stands as to what I was saying about the cheap thin stuff LD cases are actually thicker than CL according to them as LDs is 3mm thick.

They have stated there case are expensive due to using thicker alu not because they "Steel Reinforce them"

To humor both of us I asked them in the CL forums we will see what they say.
Edited by Cyber Locc - 2/3/16 at 12:49pm
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