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Come on, Doyll - he's French. Probably half your posts recommend ThermalRight Ty-14whateverfitstheapplication. :roll eyes:

From the other thread you guys are talking through each other in:

the unfortunate fact is there is a HUGE difference between thermalRIGHT and thermalTAKE it's like confusing between Ferrari and Ford because they both started with the letter F biggrin.gif 2 very different brands with 2 very different reputations.

if MadjinnSayan prefers phantek then he should use phantek. there is no reason for him to listen to advice from someone he obviously does not trust at this point.... i don't see why this type of "discussion" has to infect this thread too... if he wants to drag this discussion out, he should stay on the "Various cooling questions" thread.... at this point it's seriously starting to feel like trolling.
post #62 of 73
I said it miltiple times and i repeat it here, this was a typo (well not exaclty to be precise as valuably explained doyll somewhere), i am not the kind who makes trigger-causing posts, as opposed as somd people,i may rarely if i'm extremely pissed but this is hopefully not the case in this thread i assure you good sir.

About the fans, doyll did provide an answer which wasnt satisfying imho, also as he answered directly i conclude he talked about the fans i meant in the first place and that he recognized by their model name Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

IMHO ALSO a comparison between the fans i meant (Thermalright TY-147A and the Phanteks PH-F140TS / HP I and II to be precise) would be pretty interesting and valuable to the thread.
Edited by MadjinnSayan - 2/7/16 at 5:47am
 
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I said it miltiple times and i repeat it here, this was a typo (well not exaclty to be precise as valuably explained doyll somewhere), i am not the kind who makes trigger-causing posts, as opposed as somd people,i may rarely if i'm extremely pissed but this is hopefully not the case in this thread i assure you good sir.

About the fans, doyll did provide an answer which wasnt satisfying imho, also as he answered directly i conclude he talked about the fans i meant in the first place and that he recognized by their model name Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

IMHO ALSO a comparison between the fans i meant (Thermalright TY-147A and the Phanteks PH-F140TS / HP I and II to be precise) would be pretty interesting and valuable to the thread.

I will be happy to shed some light on this for you.

First, and foremost, you have asked the wrong question. By that, I mean that you have not asked the question to which you are seeking an answer. The question you are looking to have answered is "why did SPCR find the Phanteks 140HP to be a better choice for their silent gaming rig than the Thermalright TY147/147A?". We can not provide that answer, we can only speculate since we are not SPCR staff members that were involved in the writing of that article.

Perhaps you would be better served finding that answer in the SPCR forums, where staff members there can provide you with their reasoning.

Having used both the 140HP and TY147A extensively myself, I have my own opinion of the two fans. However, that opinion means absolutely nothing in terms of answering your question.
post #64 of 73
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The question you are looking to have answered is "why did SPCR find the Phanteks 140HP to be a better choice for their silent gaming rig than the Thermalright TY147/147A?". We can not provide that answer, we can only speculate since we are not SPCR staff members that were involved in the writing of that article.

Perhaps you would be better served finding that answer in the SPCR forums, where staff members there can provide you with their reasoning.

Having used both the 140HP and TY147A extensively myself, I have my own opinion of the two fans. However, that opinion means absolutely nothing in terms of answering your question.
My guess is sPCr had enough Phanteks fan samples on hand to use, but not enough Thermalright fan samples.
post #65 of 73
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FANS: Phanteks PH-F140HP x 2 - US$35 & Scythe GlideStream 120 - US$10

The 600Q is an excellent case but its not with its faults. The included 140 mm fans cool just fine but emit a rough unpleasant sound unfitting a truly quiet PC. The Phanteks PH-F140HP on the otherhand has an incredibly smooth acoustic profile and just happens to be one of the best best performing 140 mm case fans we've ever tested. It also comes in a few different blade/impeller colors if you care about color coordination. Note: the similar looking square-framed F140SP and F140XP do not sound nearly as good as the F140HP.
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Another issue with the 600Q is that it is not designed for 140 mm fans with 120 mm mounting holes and while we managed to get two of the Phanteks fans installed at the front, there simply wasn't any room at the back. The rear exhaust fan was swapped for a Scythe GlideStream 120 to complement the Mugen MAX's GlideStream 140. The performance difference between 120 and 140 mm fans is negligible and while the GlideStream doesn't sound quite as smooth as the Phanteks, it's good enough, and positioned at the rear of the case, furthest away from our ears.

They don't have many thermalright fans on hand AFAIK - most of their reviews of their products have only been heatsinks, seem to only have the TY-150 on hand.
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post #66 of 73
In addition, it looks like they didn't like the sound of TY-14x samples they've had, in the couple of cooler reviews relevant. Dunno if it's just luck of the draw, changes over time, or you hearing things differently.
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The stock fan's acoustics are average at 9V and above. The fan generates a dry, tonal hum that decreases with speed, but it is always audible at close proximity. At 7V and below, it is barely noticeable at one meter, and if enclosed in a good case, it should be inaudible. The measured noise level is very low for a fan of its size and speed, generating just 23~24 dBA at full speed and approaching our anechoic chamber's noise floor at 6V.

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The HR-02 stock fan is the same model included with the Silver Arrow and Shaman. It is fairly quiet for a 140 mm model, producing only 22 dBA@1m at full speed, and almost inaudible at 7V while spinning at 730 RPM. It doesn't have great acoustics, though, as the motor generates some undesirable noise. Between 800 and 1100 RPM there is an audible hum with some slight clicking. Thankfully, at one meter distance with a case side panel running interference, it would be difficult to detect.



And on the other hand, the Phanteks (different test setup, as using a different heatsink):
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Aside from our reference NF-P14 FLX, the PH-F140HP/TS had the best acoustics of the fans in this roundup, having a much cleaner profile than the latest offerings from Noctua. At higher speeds it sounded buzzy and turbulent as many fans do but at 900 RPM and below it was almost completely smooth, aside from a very faint clicking audible only at close proximity at 700 and 550 RPM.

Sample variance was minor. Of the three samples we had on hand, the white variant produced a slight tone at lower speeds while the black model was a tad whinier at full speed than the blue. The blue version used in our test had a superior sound though the other two were very similar.


And it's not all Phanteks fans.
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Unfortunately the new Phanteks fan is considerably worse than the older PH-F140TS that ships with their flagship PH-TC14PE cooler. At higher speeds it's turbulent and buzzy. Starting at about 900 RPM, it begins to drone and produce an odd, almost ghostly tone which continues as the speed is reduced. The droning starts to transform into a less offensive humming sound at lower speeds but the tone remains, even at the minimum speed.
post #67 of 73
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In addition, it looks like they didn't like the sound of TY-14x samples they've had, in the couple of cooler reviews relevant. Dunno if it's just luck of the draw, changes over time, or you hearing things differently.




And on the other hand, the Phanteks (different test setup, as using a different heatsink):


And it's not all Phanteks fans.

The thing about that being - they are 140HP fans in both tests. Differences in the samples, or different authors with different impressions?
post #68 of 73
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

The thing about that being - they are 140HP fans in both tests. Differences in the samples, or different authors with different impressions?
Those would be my guesses.

I've been using TY-14x fans for longer than I can remember exactly. I can grab an old TY-140 and a new TY-147A, TY-140 Black and I hear no difference. Obviously no sound room, no super sensitive sound meter, but my ears are still pretty good. biggrin.gif

The 120mm mounts on TY-140 and 150x14mm size as well are a good reason for them not being used in the build. But I have solutions for them.
post #69 of 73
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Those would be my guesses.

I've been using TY-14x fans for longer than I can remember exactly. I can grab an old TY-140 and a new TY-147A, TY-140 Black and I hear no difference. Obviously no sound room, no super sensitive sound meter, but my ears are still pretty good. biggrin.gif

The 120mm mounts on TY-140 and 150x14mm size as well are a good reason for them not being used in the build. But I have solutions for them.

You know my feelings on the TY-147A. I have enough F140HP to literally fill every fan slot in both of my builds, and they are in their boxes rather than the builds. But, you also know that I am considering buying more TY-147A to use in one of the builds....kind of sums up my feelings right there.

My personal big question on this subject would be "how did you not use be quiet! SW2s?". But they didn't, and I am sure there is a reason that no one outside of the author knows. And quite frankly, I don't think the 140HP is a bad choice, so why even go there?
post #70 of 73
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The thing about that being - they are 140HP fans in both tests. Differences in the samples, or different authors with different impressions?

No, not the same fan. I haven't checked whether there's some mixup of part numbers or what, but the one they complained about was this:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1438-page7.html

The one they liked was this:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page4.html

Second sample and look at the one above:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1291-page5.html


btw I did a search and apparently they've looked at at least two samples of a Be Quiet! Silent Wings 2 140 mm. They did well enough but the reviewer wasn't all that impressed:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1346-page3.html

also the 120 mm version:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1342-page3.html

edit: mixed up my links originally
Edited by mikeaj - 2/7/16 at 2:26pm
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