If this level of performance is not satisfactory, you'll have to wait for the next generation of graphics cards for something better to come along, at least if you're determined to stick with a single GPU configuration. Adding an additional GPU (or more) means the budget motherboard and power supply options are out of the question, and the increased power draw has tremendous ramifications on the noise level. It would be impossible to maintain the same noise output on load as our build without employing some serious cooling. Liquid cooling would likely be necessary which means having to deal with a noisy pump or two, spoiling the superb idle acoustics. Our system produced just 14 dBA@1m when not being taxed, with fans running at minimum speed. The 23 dBA@1m attained during the gaming tests is not as low as some of our previous guides, but this configuration is substantially more powerful and it's still very quiet, at least by gamer standards. Also, the type of sound it emits is inconspicuous, such that background music being played at a moderate volume is enough to cover it up completely, which is as good as one can hope for with any gaming PC.
This is directly from the article....and makes absolutely no sense:
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- Idle, all fans at minimum speed (14 dBA@1m)
- Resident Evil 6 Demo Benchmark (peak), CPU/rear fans at 700 RPM, front fans at 650 RPM, GPU fans at 1680 RPM (23 dBA@1m)
- Total War: Attila In-Game Benchmark (background music/score), CPU/rear fans at 700 RPM, front fans at 650 RPM, GPU fans at 1680 RPM (31~37 dBA@1m)
I read what you quoted and said what I think of it.
That kind of writing throws up all kinds of warning signals. While in this case I do not know if those warning are accurate or not, I tend to follow the old saying, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true.
I read what you quoted and said what I think of it.
That kind of writing throws up all kinds of warning signals. While in this case I do not know if those warning are accurate or not, I tend to follow the old saying, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true.
This is directly from the article....and makes absolutely no sense:
According to that, with all fans at identical speeds, the noise level of the system changes depending on what game you are playing.
When I see dBA of less 20dBA at 1 meter big red lights flash. Very few people have access to enviroments quieter than 25-30dBA, and it is very hard to monitor noises at or below ambient.
I read the article and this section quoted:
- Idle, all fans at minimum speed (14 dBA@1m)
- Resident Evil 6 Demo Benchmark (peak), CPU/rear fans at 700 RPM, front fans at 650 RPM, GPU fans at 1680 RPM (23 dBA@1m)
- Total War: Attila In-Game Benchmark (background music/score), CPU/rear fans at 700 RPM, front fans at 650 RPM, GPU fans at 1680 RPM (31~37 dBA@1m)
I read the article and this section quoted:
- Idle, all fans at minimum speed (14 dBA@1m)
- Resident Evil 6 Demo Benchmark (peak), CPU/rear fans at 700 RPM, front fans at 650 RPM, GPU fans at 1680 RPM (23 dBA@1m)
- Total War: Attila In-Game Benchmark (background music/score), CPU/rear fans at 700 RPM, front fans at 650 RPM, GPU fans at 1680 RPM (31~37 dBA@1m)
'A' typo ??? Way more than a single 'typo'. Looks like whole sentences were typed wrong.
If the tester and reviewer and their proofing staff make that big a mistake in the writing and editing, how many similar mistakes are possible in the actual testing?
Credibility is not easy to achieve .. and even harder to regain when errors are made.
When I see dBA of less 20dBA at 1 meter big red lights flash. Very few people have access to enviroments quieter than 25-30dBA, and it is very hard to monitor noises at or below ambient.
SPCR is one of the few that have access to an isolated anechoic chamber that has an ambient noise floor of 11dBA. And they have the low noise gear (mics/pres/meters) to verify it.
My only issue is that noise measurements in an anechoic chamber are the best of the best case. The reflective and resonant rooms that most enthusiasts are confined to not only have much higher noise floors (and just higher floors with lower ceilings), but can boost sound levels 3-10dB due to boundary effects and poor decor choices.
When I see dBA of less 20dBA at 1 meter big red lights flash. Very few people have access to enviroments quieter than 25-30dBA, and it is very hard to monitor noises at or below ambient.
They have a custom built anechoic chamber that they went through great lengths to construct... Mike Chin is also known to be super critical of component manufacturers, to the point of making it difficult to get review samples...
They are also a little reputable, having worked with Antec to develop the P180 back in the day and more recently with ASUS on FanXpert...
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I read the article and this section quoted:
- Idle, all fans at minimum speed (14 dBA@1m)
- Resident Evil 6 Demo Benchmark (peak), CPU/rear fans at 700 RPM, front fans at 650 RPM, GPU fans at 1680 RPM (23 dBA@1m)
- Total War: Attila In-Game Benchmark (background music/score), CPU/rear fans at 700 RPM, front fans at 650 RPM, GPU fans at 1680 RPM (31~37 dBA@1m)
SPCR is one of the few that have access to an isolated anechoic chamber that has an ambient noise floor of 11dBA. And they have the low noise gear (mics/pres/meters) to verify it.
My only issue is that noise measurements in an anechoic chamber are the best of the best case. The reflective and resonant rooms that most enthusiasts are confined to not only have much higher noise floors (and just higher floors with lower ceilings), but can boost sound levels 3-10dB due to boundary effects and poor decor choices.
Is there enough room to stand up or do I have to crawl round on all fours like you cats do?
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Originally Posted by claes
Is this your first time interacting with SPCR?
They have a custom built anechoic chamber that they went through great lengths to construct... Mike Chin is also known to be super critical of component manufacturers, to the point of making it difficult to get review samples...
They are also a little reputable, having worked with Antec to develop the P180 back in the day and more recently with ASUS on FanXpert...
Indeed, maybe it's been updated already?
I'm a member, post and use data regularly. Much of the work done there is good.
Sorry, but what I said about the quote you posted still stands. Anyone doing analytical testing needs to do their writing the same way. The minute they start talking up what they did and bragging, credibility starts swirling down the drain.
Edit: I'm trying to find out what their fan test system is. Their fan test results look very accurate, and they go into great detail about their test instruments, but are very vague and secretive about the physical test system. Again, not being shown makes me skeptical.
Being involved in designing a case means little or nothing. I work with companies all the time with case airflow designs and cooling concepts. So what? I can rub my belly and scratch my head too. Doesn't mean I run fast or jump high.
I'll never understand why people expect complete silence from systems where fans are involved. What's the problem, nobody has speakers that go loud enough? Or headphones? Fans make noise, there is no way around that, besides risking product longevity by lowering fan speeds and dealing with higher temps or going fanless and sacrificing power. If you want power, you better get used to the noise or turn up the volume. "If it's too loud, you're too old". Go hard or go home.
I'll never understand why people expect complete silence from systems where fans are involved. What's the problem, nobody has speakers that go loud enough? Or headphones? Fans make noise, there is no way around that, besides risking product longevity by lowering fan speeds and dealing with higher temps or going fanless and sacrificing power. If you want power, you better get used to the noise or turn up the volume. "If it's too loud, you're too old". Go hard or go home.
Life is not all black and white. There is much more going on in it;s huge gray area/
You seem to think in extremes, have little understanding of how to make a very cool running system that is also very quiet, no understanding why many people do not like noise.
None of my systems make noise above my environmental floor of about 25-30dBA unless they are pushed above 75-85% load levels .. with is rare to never. So while they do make some noise, their noise level is much lower than the normal noise level of the house.
"If it's too loud, you're deaf .. or will be in years to come." Go easy and enjoy what everyone else misses because the are in too much of a rush and listening to loud music to distract them from life.
I'll never understand why people expect complete silence from systems where fans are involved. What's the problem, nobody has speakers that go loud enough? Or headphones? Fans make noise, there is no way around that, besides risking product longevity by lowering fan speeds and dealing with higher temps or going fanless and sacrificing power. If you want power, you better get used to the noise or turn up the volume. "If it's too loud, you're too old". Go hard or go home.
Who expects complete silence? We're gonna need names.
The goal for me and others (who must remain nameless at this time) is the best COMPROMISE between cooling efficiency and noise levels. It's a sliding scale, not an either/or. If you want the 70+dB server room noise levels for a domestic system, that's your choice.
It's possible to build a powerful and reasonably quiet system. All fans are not alike in either cooling efficiency or noise. All coolers are not alike. We're here to discuss those tradeoffs, not to dismiss them.
The fun in being an enthusiast is building our own systems to suit our own tastes. My preference is to find and use the components that meet my low noise needs (<36dBA at load) while staying far below thermal throttling. My OC'd Xeon hexcore rig runs at 4.4Ghz on air with load temps at 59-60c at under 36dBA. At idle, it's below the 21dBA ambient threshold of the room. That's my compromise. What's yours?
Who expects complete silence? We're gonna need names.
The goal for me and others (who must remain nameless at this time) is the best COMPROMISE between cooling efficiency and noise levels. It's a sliding scale, not an either/or. If you want the 70+dB server room noise levels for a domestic system, that's your choice.
It's possible to build a powerful and reasonably quiet system. All fans are not alike in either cooling efficiency or noise. All coolers are not alike. We're here to discuss those tradeoffs, not to dismiss them.
The fun in being an enthusiast is building our own systems to suit our own tastes. My preference is to find and use the components that meet my low noise needs (<36dBA at load) while staying far below thermal throttling. My OC'd Xeon hexcore rig runs at 4.4Ghz on air with load temps at 59-60c at under 36dBA. At idle, it's below the 21dBA ambient threshold of the room. That's my compromise. What's yours?
My compromise is noise. I want full power and lowest possible temps 24/7. All of my fans run at 100% 24/7, I turn up the volume to compensate, and enjoy the hum when not in use. Silence is boring. We're all different.
My compromise is noise. I want full power and lowest possible temps 24/7. All of my fans run at 100% 24/7, I turn up the volume to compensate, and enjoy the hum when not in use. Silence is boring. We're all different.
Then you are no 'audiophile'. When I has audiophile-itis (maybe it was addition) the hardest part of building systems was getting all the hiss and buzz out of them .. and we had no fans or flying insects making noises.
Then you are no 'audiophile'. When I has audiophile-itis (maybe it was addition) the hardest part of building systems was getting all the hiss and buzz out of them .. and we had no fans or flying insects making noises.
Oh, doyll.....it is well known that audiophiles extol the virtues of things like noisy amplifiers and bad signal to noise because they can simply turn up the volume. As a matter of fact, Nelson Pass and Mark Levison were highly praised for their efforts to try to push background noise to the highest levels possible in their equipment.
"Turn up the volume"......most ridiculous comment I have read on this board in a while, and at OCN, that is really saying something.
Oh, doyll.....it is well known that audiophiles extol the virtues of things like noisy amplifiers and bad signal to noise because they can simply turn up the volume. As a matter of fact, Nelson Pass and Mark Levison were highly praised for their efforts to try to push background noise to the highest levels possible in their equipment.
"Turn up the volume"......most ridiculous comment I have read on this board in a while, and at OCN, that is really saying something.
So therefore you are comfortable dismissing it offhand as "political speak and advertising hype?"
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Sorry, but what I said about the quote you posted still stands. Anyone doing analytical testing needs to do their writing the same way. The minute they start talking up what they did and bragging, credibility starts swirling down the drain.
All this indicates to me is that you didn't read the article...
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Edit: I'm trying to find out what their fan test system is. Their fan test results look very accurate, and they go into great detail about their test instruments, but are very vague and secretive about the physical test system. Again, not being shown makes me skeptical.
"Vague and secretive" isn't offering much of an editorial/analysis/warrant to your claim - could you explain? I personally find the pictures of their test system, the explanation of their method, and explanation of differences of various iterations of their bench to be pretty clear...
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Being involved in designing a case means little or nothing. I work with companies all the time with case airflow designs and cooling concepts. So what? I can rub my belly and scratch my head too. Doesn't mean I run fast or jump high.
Having a testing system at all rather than comparing results from different tests to make general observations has to give them some credibility...
Your hubris aside, I personally find it really interesting that SPCR was able to build a system that push can 50fps at 4k and stay reasonably quiet. Like MicroCat, I too think this is not real-world, but it's interesting! I would've expected 2000+ rpm on the GPU to push that many pixels.
So therefore you are comfortable dismissing it offhand as "political speak and advertising hype?"
All this indicates to me is that you didn't read the article...
Pics or lies?
"Vague and secretive" isn't offering much of an editorial/analysis/warrant to your claim - could you explain? I personally find the pictures of their test system, the explanation of their method, and explanation of differences of various iterations of their bench to be pretty clear...
Having a testing system at all rather than comparing results from different tests to make general observations has to give them some credibility...
Your hubris aside, I personally find it really interesting that SPCR was able to build a system that push can 50fps at 4k and stay reasonably quiet. Like MicroCat, I too think this is not real-world, but it's interesting! I would've expected 2000+ rpm on the GPU to push that many pixels.
Believe whatever you want. But if you take are real look between the lines of reviews you can sometimes find the real meat of the story.
I never said there were any lies or deceptions. I only pointed out some things that sometimes end up being the precursors of inaccuracy and sometimes even deception.
They built a nice quiet system and have no problem beating their chests and patting themselves on the back. They take a bunch of samples supplied by their sponsors and build a quiet system with them. Then proceed to expound the virtues of of the components and system. This is the way review sites and reviewers keep their sources of product happy and keep receiving more samples. I have done these thing myself when 'testing' and writing reviews. Using reviews to to evaluate what products are good and which are bad is not easy to do. Reviews rarely say anything bad about the products, but instead simply don't give as much praise. To determine which products are the best is more about reading between the line then what is written. After reading these things for many years it become second nature to question what is not said rather than what is actually written.
That's 'cause there's literally nothing else to say!
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Originally Posted by doyll
When I see dBA of less 20dBA at 1 meter big red lights flash. Very few people have access to enviroments quieter than 25-30dBA, and it is very hard to monitor noises at or below ambient.
...who is unaware of their anechoic chamber, their fairly exhaustive explanations (three) of their fan test-system, and basically every other defining feature of the site...
You should take your advice:
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Originally Posted by doyll
'A' typo ??? Way more than a single 'typo'. Looks like whole sentences were typed wrong.
If the tester and reviewer and their proofing staff make that big a mistake in the writing and editing, how many similar mistakes are possible in the actual testing?
Credibility is not easy to achieve .. and even harder to regain when errors are made.
Oh, doyll.....it is well known that audiophiles extol the virtues of things like noisy amplifiers and bad signal to noise because they can simply turn up the volume. As a matter of fact, Nelson Pass and Mark Levison were highly praised for their efforts to try to push background noise to the highest levels possible in their equipment.
"Turn up the volume"......most ridiculous comment I have read on this board in a while, and at OCN, that is really saying something.
I can see how that can be a problem living in a $500 apartment with roommates.
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