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Poll Results: What kind of screen coating do you prefer on a gaming monitor?

 
  • 33% (19)
    Full gloss
  • 28% (16)
    Semi-glossy AG
  • 22% (13)
    Light AG (like today's high refresh rate IPS monitors)
  • 10% (6)
    Moderate AG (suggests you have natural light shining on the monitor)
  • 5% (3)
    Heavy/thick AG (why?)
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post #31 of 65
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Bottom line is some people are more bothered by reflections than others. I can work with a glossy even with window shades open behind me (although not my preference). Sure I can see the reflections when I focus on them, but the brightness/vividness of the content on the display usually overpowers the reflections, and I can therefore 'blot out' the reflections in my perceptual view. Something similar to "Troxler's fading". Its a matter of flexibility with focus, I guess some people manage that better than others.

Maybe it's the older the eyes get, the more of a problem this is. I'm going to be 37 in April, and I only started noticing how much this bothers me in the past couple of years (on my parents' laptop when they need me to help them with it). Whenever I'm looking at content that isn't bright enough to blind me to my own reflection, it's irritating. Whenever I can see any reflections, it's irritating.

It kinda reminds me a little bit of driving at night. I absolutely must flip my review mirror into the shaded mode. Any cars behind me are too distracting and some headlights are too bright, even with the low beams.

I know for a fact that this never bothered me when I was younger.

Hey now!

I am 24 and I find reflection troublesome, too. tongue.gif
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post #32 of 65
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Hey now!

I am 24 and I find reflection troublesome, too. tongue.gif

 

Are you sure you don't mean 42? :)

 

Yeah, I was expecting a response like this after I submitted. After all, everyone is different. You have different genetics, different eye healths, etc. etc. etc.

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post #33 of 65
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Hey now!


I am 24 and I find reflection troublesome, too. tongue.gif

Are you sure you don't mean 42? smile.gif

Yeah, I was expecting a response like this after I submitted. After all, everyone is different. You have different genetics, different eye healths, etc. etc. etc.

Ask me again in 2033-2034. tongue.gif

But yes. People are different and perceive things differently. Some are sensitive and disposed towards distraction from extra light sources and reflections, others are not.
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post #34 of 65
A year ago I would have said 100% glossy, and probably still would prefer glossy, but the semi glossy / light AG coatings like on the 34" LG ultrawide are good, they do not make the image quality significantly worse and they also do not cause reflections, the strong AG coatings are terrible and should not be anywhere near a monitor screen unless it is used for office work only.
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Matte. Preferably moderate or even heavy matte (I answered moderate because there have been some "heavy" monitors that really truly went overboard).

Unless you wear a full black ski mask, a black turtleneck, black gloves, while playing on a black desk with black unlit mouse keyboard and mousepad, in the middle of the night, windows fully curtained off, all light sources (including any little LED in your phone, speakers, UPS, etc) turned off (which in many cases means physically modified and disconnected), and use your monitor at the minimum brightness setting, you will get massive, image quality ruining, incredibly distracting reflections on full gloss.

Even on my matte X-Star (Qnix if you prefer), in the night time, with lights off, I can see myself reflecting in my monitor just from the light shining on me from the monitor's own backlight if I wear a brightly colored shirt. Turn the (well placed to minimize reflections) lights on to avoid the incredible eyestrain that gaming in a dark room is guaranteed to give you, and it is even more obvious. I literally cannot play darker games during the daylight, even with my blinds fully closed, because enough light seeps in through the narrow gaps to completely blind me.

Glossy has very nice rich vibrant colors and sharp lines. They certainly look more impressive than matte... but only at first glance unless you only ever use them in unrealistic conditions. Anyone who actually wants semi consistent IQ from their monitor without shaping their entire life around said monitor should know to stay away from glossy or semi glossy - especially when it comes to gaming, where your ability to quickly see the target is more important than how rich its colors are.

You're quite right about glossy, but not semi-glossy. Have you used any semi-glossy displays? Also I can't help but laugh at comments like "your ability to quickly see the target is more important than how rich its colors are." As if every game is a competitive shooter? Immersion (picture quality) is far more important to me, it's why I game. I almost never play a game that involves quickly seeing targets. Anyone who cares about immersion will want at least semi-glossy (which isn't nearly as bad as you describe), minimal light in the room (but you can still have some), and bias lighting.

This is coming from someone who can't stand reflections by the way. Not any. I voted for semi-glossy.
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post #36 of 65
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I'm personally not saying I have a different view or taste. I'm saying that I don't have the option of getting a glossy monitor because I cannot do anything about the glare and reflections.

Weird. I have never used anything but glossy monitors for 20 years and don't have these problems. My windows are blacked out yes, and i'm a night person, not much for bright light in general and I do wear black all the time, lol. But that's still irrelevant. I don't see the reflection of my face ect as you say. I do use low light or often sit in the dark with only the monitor as a light source but either way I have generally always had the light in my room set somewhere to not reflect, and actually not even optimal at the moment, it's behind me, and the back of my chair basically blocks it.
I also have a full 104 led lit keyboard sitting under it, no reflections.
I'm 45 and my eyes are just starting to be 40 year old eyes, but i have basically had the same pc using habit for 20 years. And staring at crt's only as well. I can see in the dark like a bat. OH wait bats are like blind. Ok like some sort of night seeing thing.biggrin.gif
Everyone is different but the reflections of your face et all and that is because of cheap glass with no Ar or whatever. Certainly not an issue on a properly glassed monitor. The one i'm on currently, temporarily, is a 10 year old TN ccfl gateway job that cost like 99 bucks, again no issues.
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You're quite right about glossy, but not semi-glossy. Have you used any semi-glossy displays? Also I can't help but laugh at comments like "your ability to quickly see the target is more important than how rich its colors are." As if every game is a competitive shooter? Immersion (picture quality) is far more important to me, it's why I game. I almost never play a game that involves quickly seeing targets. Anyone who cares about immersion will want at least semi-glossy (which isn't nearly as bad as you describe), minimal light in the room (but you can still have some), and bias lighting.

This is coming from someone who can't stand reflections by the way. Not any. I voted for semi-glossy.

I'm currently using a matte X-Star as I mentioned, and also as I've said, It has incredibly distracting and obscuring reflections during the day to the point where I cannot play darker games. For instance, if I'm playing Planetside 2 and the night cycle comes around, I have to hop to another continent because the reflections and glare are so strong that they completely block out the dark nighttime image.

So no, semi-gloss isn't somehow going to have even less reflections and glare than matte. It might work for you, but it absolutely wouldn't work for me considering the moderate to light (depending on who you ask) matte on my X-Star isn't even enough during the day (or even at night if I'm wearing a brightly colored shirt).

As for what you consider important in gaming, that's great that you find color accuracy and vibrancy in games to be the most important factor. Personally I play games to play them, not to gaze longfully into them. That's not to say I don't appreciate a pretty game, but gameplay will always come before graphics for me, and to that end I'd actually like to be able to see the half of the screen where gameplay is happening, instead of just the pretty colors on the other half of the screen that doesn't have a giant reflection on it.

Besides, what good is half a pretty picture anyway? When looking at a picture, I'd rather have a full JPEG with a little compression loss than half of a lossless PNG, if you can follow the analogy.
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I'm currently using a matte X-Star as I mentioned, and also as I've said, It has incredibly distracting and obscuring reflections during the day to the point where I cannot play darker games. For instance, if I'm playing Planetside 2 and the night cycle comes around, I have to hop to another continent because the reflections and glare are so strong that they completely block out the dark nighttime image.

So no, semi-gloss isn't somehow going to have even less reflections and glare than matte. It might work for you, but it absolutely wouldn't work for me considering the moderate to light (depending on who you ask) matte on my X-Star isn't even enough during the day (or even at night if I'm wearing a brightly colored shirt).

As for what you consider important in gaming, that's great that you find color accuracy and vibrancy in games to be the most important factor. Personally I play games to play them, not to gaze longfully into them. That's not to say I don't appreciate a pretty game, but gameplay will always come before graphics for me, and to that end I'd actually like to be able to see the half of the screen where gameplay is happening, instead of just the pretty colors on the other half of the screen that doesn't have a giant reflection on it.

Besides, what good is half a pretty picture anyway? When looking at a picture, I'd rather have a full JPEG with a little compression loss than half of a lossless PNG, if you can follow the analogy.

I can't speak for your situation and I never said semi-gloss has less reflections than matte, it's simply not difficult to avoid reflections with a semi-glossy screen so your "half a pretty picture" analogy doesn't apply to me. I make sure I have zero reflections when gaming and watching movies and TV, since the slightest bit drives me up the walls as well. All of my movie/TV watching is done on a semi-glossy TV. I'd like all of my gaming to be done on a semi-glossy screen too, which is one of the reasons I made this poll actually. And I play many games with very dark environments.

Even with lots of natural lighting in the living room and other lights turned on, I get no "giant reflections" on my 50" semi-glossy TV. The reflections I do get in such situations (which are very easy to avoid) are terrible, don't get me wrong, but not giant. You've made me curious about your X-Star.

For those who have concerns about eye strain in a dark environment, an excellent solution is bias lighting, which refers to putting a light source (preferably a 6500k calibrated one) behind the display. Just google "bias lighting" if you've never heard of it. It greatly reduces eye fatigue in dark environments. So use this and block out all natural light if possible, and be smart about your room lighting, and semi-glossy won't be a problem. Of course some of these things still aren't options for some people, and those people will need a more matte AG coating, but for most people this won't be a problem thanks to glorious inventions like curtains and window blinds.

Also, "immersion" and "graphics" are two different words and concepts. Crysis 3 has excellent graphics but isn't immersive in the slightest. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind even with mods doesn't have excellent graphics by today's standards, but I consider it one of the most immersive games around. Story and writing quality (when applicable), an immersive world through great level design and distinct artistic design, role-playing (when applicable) and gameplay are all the most important aspects of gaming to me. I have some of the most strict gameplay tastes and do play some games pretty much only for the gameplay. I just happen to play a very wide variety of games. In other words, I'm extremely critical about every aspect of gaming (including virtually every aspect of game design with 'graphics' actually being least important, evidenced by me playing many older titles) although I prioritize the picture quality aspect of a display above the other aspects.
Edited by boredgunner - 2/4/16 at 7:41pm
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The poll is missing "AR treated glass", the type used in old high-end CRT's and monitors like the 5K Dell. That's the best solution, as it's completely haze-free, but still retains very good AG properties, much more so than full gloss.

In any case, from the options available, full gloss, obviously.
    
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