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Just because you're one personal experience means you have no need does not mean everyone else does not need one.

In a home environment they're strongly recommended even if you are computer smart

In a corporate network it's essential.

Well put. Never try and reason with people who feel that their way of doing things is the only way. You won't get anywhere.
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Good habits, scriptsafe, and ublock origin have kept me safe for over 5 years. Apart from that, only Windows' firewall and my router's. Every AV i've tried in the past ended up hogging more resources than i was willing to give up. I decided to give MSE a try when i installed Windows 10, but it took forever to scan every single write done to my SSD, so i stopped it.

Maybe i'm just lucky, but i feel confident in going forward like this.
    
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Out of the 30 years I have been on the Internet, only had 2 viruses. Both of them where man in the middle attacks. One spoofed microsoft and the other spoofed google. Both of them where caught by an antivirus. Just visited microsofts and googles website and the virus downloaded in the background.

But the really funny thing about this whole issue? You have people saying, I never had a virus, but yet don't have an anti virus to confirm that. Most viruses today don't hijack your computer and demand money. They simply mined your data. Collecting passwords, emails, and other stuff. They even auto delete themselves if you try to install an antivirus. Personally, I use mint for everything that I don't really need windows for. Linux, it is harder to get virus on. And if you follow basic security practices, even harder still.

Bottom line.

Security is an onion.

You don't have one layer. You need to cover yourself in as many layers as you feel you need. Everyone is completely different. For me, I run my browser in a sandbox. I run it with noscript, adblock, ghostry, better privacy, and httpseverywhere. I run it behind a good firewall on linux. Am I safe? Safe enough for what I do. But for other people maybe not. If I had to share a computer like I did back on school, I would get more paranoid.

I also ride a motorcycle to work. I have a full helmet, amoured jacket, kelvar pants and even carry a concealed carry. I drive the speed limit and don't do anything really stupid. But I still ride a motorcycle. I put as many layers as possible for what I want to do. But life is a risk. You need to manage it as you see fit.

Telling people that you have been doing something for years, and nothing bad has happened to you yet is like a person that drinks and drives. Yea, sure, but because it has not happened yet does not mean it will not happen. And it does not mean that everyone you know should drink and drive because you say it is safe.
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Why is it always that in thread about security we got these badasses with their common sense and swearing down anti virus?
An antivirus is just another layer of security. It barely uses anything of your PC nowdays so why would you not want an extra layer just in case something can passed your "common sense"?
Also, you don't need to click anything anymore to have stuff happen. Ever installed Noscript? You would be surprised about the amount of stuff some sites have running in the background.
Or what about if sites you always go on get compromised? If i remember right, this very site had that happen before and this is not exactly one i would consider the type of site for such things. But it does happen.
Nobody that knows what they're doing would go around without some form of AV protection. Every time I see one of these types I get a nice laugh, as they're likely infected out the wazoo and are none the wiser.
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Nobody that knows what they're doing would go around without some form of AV protection. Every time I see one of these types I get a nice laugh, as they're likely infected out the wazoo and are none the wiser.
So, you laugh at people for making an assumption while making one yourself?
    
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I don't even understand the need for having such junk on a computer. I haven't used anti virus in years and I've never had an issue.

Don't click advertisements, use common sense when google searching and going to random websites, don't download random torrents...

I mean is it really that hard to not get a virus... Internet browsers themselves are fairly secure and make it easy for even the most lacking users to avoid viruses, spam and popups nowadays.

Not true anymore. Invisible Javascript on the website can cause invisible click thru's for Google Adsense/Adwords. Kickasstorrents for an example, is absolutely riddled with them (which is why I don't torrent)
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Out of the 30 years I have been on the Internet, only had 2 viruses. Both of them where man in the middle attacks. One spoofed microsoft and the other spoofed google. Both of them where caught by an antivirus. Just visited microsofts and googles website and the virus downloaded in the background.

But the really funny thing about this whole issue? You have people saying, I never had a virus, but yet don't have an anti virus to confirm that. Most viruses today don't hijack your computer and demand money. They simply mined your data. Collecting passwords, emails, and other stuff. They even auto delete themselves if you try to install an antivirus. Personally, I use mint for everything that I don't really need windows for. Linux, it is harder to get virus on. And if you follow basic security practices, even harder still.

Bottom line.

Security is an onion.

You don't have one layer. You need to cover yourself in as many layers as you feel you need. Everyone is completely different. For me, I run my browser in a sandbox. I run it with noscript, adblock, ghostry, better privacy, and httpseverywhere. I run it behind a good firewall on linux. Am I safe? Safe enough for what I do. But for other people maybe not. If I had to share a computer like I did back on school, I would get more paranoid.

I also ride a motorcycle to work. I have a full helmet, amoured jacket, kelvar pants and even carry a concealed carry. I drive the speed limit and don't do anything really stupid. But I still ride a motorcycle. I put as many layers as possible for what I want to do. But life is a risk. You need to manage it as you see fit.

Telling people that you have been doing something for years, and nothing bad has happened to you yet is like a person that drinks and drives. Yea, sure, but because it has not happened yet does not mean it will not happen. And it does not mean that everyone you know should drink and drive because you say it is safe.


Listen to this man.

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If you think that viruses are still as crude as that you are very naïve. That isn't even a virus; that's just some nuisance code repeatedly using standard browser functionality.

Well 99% of all malware require a functional network connection. If I yank the ethernet cable and kill the power to my computer it simply can't do jack. Then all I gotta do is a secure erase the SSD, re-image and voila I'm up and running again. Or even better, plug in a backup SSD that I keep on hand for times like these, and be back up and running in literally less than 5 minutes. Thankfully I've never had to use the backup SSD in such a way, but it definitely saved my ass a few times when registry tweaking went south or I BSOD'd too much when benching and corrupted my current setup.
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Can be as careful as you want, 99% of anti-virus/anti-malware doesnt come into effect until after you're infected.

True, which is why a proactive strategy against malware is always the better choice. In addition to the usual precautions and backing up important data, I image my drive at least once a month (usually biweekly), keep 3 clean, working images on 2 separate external HDDs. Then I have a separate backup SSD that I clone to once every while, to guarantee I can be back up and running in no time should I ever get hit with malware. To be honest, I actually think adhering to a rigorous backup schedule is probably more beneficial than futzing around with AV software, but that's just my opinion, and I certainly wouldn't recommend it to just anyone.
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Good habits, scriptsafe, and ublock origin have kept me safe for over 5 years. Apart from that, only Windows' firewall and my router's. Every AV i've tried in the past ended up hogging more resources than i was willing to give up. I decided to give MSE a try when i installed Windows 10, but it took forever to scan every single write done to my SSD, so i stopped it.

Maybe i'm just lucky, but i feel confident in going forward like this.

Likewise, but throw in Malwarebytes Pro, KeyScrambler, and very recently Malwarebytes Anti-Exploit. Actually the only time I caught a nasty (FBI scareware), it was entirely my own fault since my computer had unprotected sex with the dark corners of the interwebz. (trawled through torrent sites without any protection)
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back up and running in 5 as long as windows doesnt think swapping the ssd was enough to have to re-activate, lol tongue.gif
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Never experienced that problem at least with swapping SSDs, but nothing the automated phone re-activation can't fix if Windows stubbornly refuses to activate on its own.
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