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Just buy the "K" part, SUCCESS...
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Am I the only one who doesn't see an issue here? You have bought a CPU that is not advertised as overclockable, how exactly do you get upset when you can't overclock it?
Sure, no reason to be upset when a feature present on the motherboard you bought gets removed by a greedy corporation. thumb.gif
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Sure, no reason to be upset when a feature present on the motherboard you bought gets removed by a greedy corporation. thumb.gif

So dont update that BIOS?
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Just buy the "K" part, SUCCESS...

That is what intel precisely wants ocer's to think.

Intel putting the squeeze oc'ers becuase they can and charge obnoxious premiums on their top tier chips. I'm glad dx12 is being rolled out, so the cpu factor becomes slowly irrelevant and intel with it for gamers. You can only push us so far.
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Am I the only one who doesn't see an issue here? You have bought a CPU that is not advertised as overclockable, how exactly do you get upset when you can't overclock it?
Sure, no reason to be upset when a feature present on the motherboard you bought gets removed by a greedy corporation. thumb.gif

Exactly, many motherboard makers - ASRock, MSI, EVGA, BIOSTAR and ASUS had already implemented this and it was all over the news.

The question here is not so much whether you can overclock non K CPUs or not, that is a more general discussion that goes all the way back to SB and you can agree with it or not, be happy or not, but this situation seemed for all intents and purposes like a reversal of attitude and motherboard makers were advertising this feature and people buying motherboards with that in mind.

At the end of the day if you want to get technical about it, normal warranties never covered overclocking anyway, not even in K models and you're not given any assurance that you can get even one extra Mhz out of a K model beyond factory specs, so that is a moot point for all CPUs, including K models.

The change signalled a different attitude and now they come and take it away. It doesn't make them look good, it seems pretty obvious to me, especially considering history.
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The thing is the non-K SKUs are already overclockable, the only thing stopping you from doing so is Intel themselves.

 

That's why people are upset. If it was a genuine hardware limitation it'd be okay, but it's not.

   
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Do you know how this site started? How people got enthusiastic about getting more for their purchase? Back in the Athlon and Pentium 4 days in 2004. And then with the Core 2 architecture. None of them were advertised as overclockable, except for the top end models.

This isn't about rights, it's about expectations. It's bad PR.

As I said in the previous post, if they didn't want people to overclock them they should have kept the platform specs that prevented it from happening like in previous generations. This trying to put the cat back in the bag just makes them look bad.


This industry is messed up, you can't compare over a decade ago and expect that to be relevant. Even in recent years these things have been limited to limited tweaking of BCLK when it's been possible. Besides the fact functionality is limited when doing so anyway, the unlocked BIOS revisions are in circulation. Making a mountain out of a mole hill once more in German train schedule fashion lol. wheee.gif


Blame Assrock, they were marketing it actively.
Edited by Silent Scone - 2/4/16 at 8:10am
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Do you know how this site started? How people got enthusiastic about getting more for their purchase? Back in the Athlon and Pentium 4 days in 2004. And then with the Core 2 architecture. None of them were advertised as overclockable, except for the top end models.

This isn't about rights, it's about expectations. It's bad PR.

As I said in the previous post, if they didn't want people to overclock them they should have kept the platform specs that prevented it from happening like in previous generations. This trying to put the cat back in the bag just makes them look bad.

I absolutely agree. I'm sure Intel wasn't thrilled when people were magically turning their old x486 processors into faster machines either. That doesn't mean you throw your weight around trying to stop manufacturers from innovating. It means if you really don't want it to happen you innovate on your end in an attempt to stop it.

Makes me wonder what sort of repercussions Intel could even have against ASRock - I would think they'd all essentially be illegal.

Didn't Supermicro support a similar OC feature?
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That doesn't mean you throw your weight around trying to stop manufacturers from innovating. It means if you really don't want it to happen you innovate on your end in an attempt to stop it.

They spends as little money as possible in order to see the largest return as possible. Preventing market cannibalization and reducing returns is at least as big a part of that as innovation (especially in the absence of appreciable competition). Intel is a business.
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Makes me wonder what sort of repercussions Intel could even have against ASRock - I would think they'd all essentially be illegal.

Almost certainly some sort of licencing/sales agreement that Intel could decline to renew, if it wished.

Of course, legality is also irrelevant unless the consequences for illegal behavior cost more than compliance.
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Makes me wonder what sort of repercussions Intel could even have against ASRock - I would think they'd all essentially be illegal.

Didn't Supermicro support a similar OC feature?
ASUS, MSI, ASRock, and Supermicro all had non-K overclockable products.
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