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post #121 of 340
To me, overclocking is about getting the most out of the hardware you can afford.
I can't believe some of the elitism Intel posts in this thread, not everyone can afford the best or the unlocked K model. A person that can only afford an i3 for their build will not fork out the extra money to get an overclockable CPU. Leaving the i3 to be OC'ed by base clock will benefit that user, as they can get more value from their limited budget, but has no effect on sales to Intel.

I hope Zen is a success, maybe we will see some real competition again, the current state of the CPU market has gotten rather stale, there hasn't been a new CPU that has excited me in a while. While on the other hand, the GPU market has been feeling neck at neck all the time, both teams are fighting hard to be the best product on the market.
Edited by N3G4T1v3 - 2/5/16 at 12:25am
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Am I the only one who downloaded, extracted and installed it on my mobo lol

Anywhoo, yeap agree it's a BS move by Intel. They know how well the G3258 sold, they could've easily provided something similar and/or better but nope.
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post #123 of 340
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Originally Posted by N3G4T1v3 View Post

To me, overclocking is about getting the most out of the hardware can afford.
I can't believe some of the elitism Intel posts in this thread, not everyone can afford the best or the unlocked K model. A person that can only afford an i3 for their build will not fork out the extra money to get an overclockable CPU. Leaving the i3 to be OC'ed by base clock will benefit that user, as they can get more value from their limited budget, but has no effect on sales to Intel.

I hope Zen is a success, maybe we will see some real competition again, the current state of the CPU market has gotten rather stale, there hasn't been a new CPU that has excited me in a while. While on the other hand, the GPU market has been feeling neck at neck all the time, both teams are fighting hard to be the best product on the market.

 

This. I like all kinds of systems but there is nothing more satisfying than bringing older or less expensive parts into the same competitive range as more expensive ones. I have nothing against people who spend more than I do ( and Lord knows I've spent enough :P ) but nobody should expect some kind of special recognition for posting sick benchmark numbers with their Intel octacore and deca-SLI Titan X's- the numbers should be exceptional. I'm more impressed by the person who shows up with the Nehalem or Phenom that still holds its own because of knowledge and experience.

 

And as to what I bolded, the only effect I could see would be a positive one. I've been planning to finally replace my Ivy baby with a Kaby part, just coz, but I would have shelled out for three or four more SKU's of varying types just to play with. Now I have no desire to do so, and AMD's AM4 parts will get more of my money than the Zen part that I was already planning on.


Edited by SuperZan - 2/4/16 at 11:54pm
     
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I've always been in the "Companies can do what they want with the things they make" group because I've also been in the "If you don't like it, don't buy it" group.

I find it very interesting how the same people who want OCable i3s so so badly wont consider a 6300, an Athlon, or even an APU if they want that iGPU. The gap isn't that great when only one side can OC, and the price gap isn't that big for i5/i7 K/non.

"This is what happens when AMD can't compete" they say.
"Blame AMD" they say.
"AMD is going bankrupt" they say.

So many elitists (including myself) saying it's fine that Intel does this. So many more overly-entitled people thinking their complaints will do anything about it that will sooner complain and then deal with it anyway than stop supporting them. And none of them will move from Intel despite all their complaints to give AMD the money they need, to vote with their wallets and show Intel this is unacceptable to them.

And while we're blaming people, the motherboard makers should not have advertised an unsupported feature that they knew was not intentional. This is not the first non-K OC "bug" in the last 3 years, and the others got shut down too, they should have known better. So should everyone here.
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I will be sad if Intel pushes for this(locking stuff that is fine not locked), its not the direction we should be moving towards.

Me personally, I like tinkering with low end crap, since stuff like overclocking(or unlocking cores like in the good ol AMD days) actually increases performance a lot.
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I've always been in the "Companies can do what they want with the things they make" group because I've also been in the "If you don't like it, don't buy it" group.

I find it very interesting how the same people who want OCable i3s so so badly wont consider a 6300, an Athlon, or even an APU if they want that iGPU. The gap isn't that great when only one side can OC, and the price gap isn't that big for i5/i7 K/non.

"This is what happens when AMD can't compete" they say.
"Blame AMD" they say.
"AMD is going bankrupt" they say.

So many elitists (including myself) saying it's fine that Intel does this. So many more overly-entitled people thinking their complaints will do anything about it that will sooner complain and then deal with it anyway than stop supporting them. And none of them will move from Intel despite all their complaints to give AMD the money they need, to vote with their wallets and show Intel this is unacceptable to them.

And while we're blaming people, the motherboard makers should not have advertised an unsupported feature that they knew was not intentional. This is not the first non-K OC "bug" in the last 3 years, and the others got shut down too, they should have known better. So should everyone here.

You lose the iGPU when you OC a non-k processor with a modified BIOS.
Furthermore, core for core, Intel processors surpass AMD. Alas, this is true and I've recently upgraded my mum's computer from an AMD APU to a i3-6100.


And I disagree with you on the subject of motherboards - in old, pre-Sandy, uArchs where the PCI were on a separate bus (just like Skylake is again), you could BCLK OC as much as you wanted to.
Locked processors meant locked multipliers.

This is an entirely artificial limitation intended to serve as nothing but an introduction to an even more segmented market where diminishing returns for higher-binned components are present at the entry price point and grow steeper and steeper as you step up towards more powerful chips.
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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

I've always been in the "Companies can do what they want with the things they make" group because I've also been in the "If you don't like it, don't buy it" group.

I find it very interesting how the same people who want OCable i3s so so badly wont consider a 6300, an Athlon, or even an APU if they want that iGPU. The gap isn't that great when only one side can OC, and the price gap isn't that big for i5/i7 K/non.

"This is what happens when AMD can't compete" they say.
"Blame AMD" they say.
"AMD is going bankrupt" they say.

So many elitists (including myself) saying it's fine that Intel does this. So many more overly-entitled people thinking their complaints will do anything about it that will sooner complain and then deal with it anyway than stop supporting them. And none of them will move from Intel despite all their complaints to give AMD the money they need, to vote with their wallets and show Intel this is unacceptable to them.

And while we're blaming people, the motherboard makers should not have advertised an unsupported feature that they knew was not intentional. This is not the first non-K OC "bug" in the last 3 years, and the others got shut down too, they should have known better. So should everyone here.

i get that your in the "companies can do whatever they want with their products" and "if you don't like it don't buy it" but i'm in the "I can do whatever i want with the things i buy" group. What next the company that made the steel that is used in the machine that makes the cpu tells intel they can't make wafers 1-2 mm thick anymore they have to be 4mm thick because they never agreed that the steel was to make cpus? come on the way people defend companies on OCN is just...... on another level.

When i joined OCN i joined because it was overclock.net, A group of people who's purpose was to share and help each other get the most out of their parts. like custom built rads from fish pumps, motorcycle radiators, tubing from home depot or you know liquid nitrogen cooling. It didn't matter if it was a $35 dollar cpu or a $2k cpu. It didn't matter if it was an enthusiast gpu or a entry level one. Didn't matter if it said "2.3ghz" we would push past all that.

I was 50/50 on a skylake build or wait for zen but now i'm just going to wait for zen. I don't feel like supporting a company that is going to force me to buy a higher end chip with a higher end motherboard. What next they won't allow you to overclock unless you pay for $1k memory modules? or only overclock if you buy a psu with 2000watts at 99% efficiency?
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Too late. OC bios are already out. Muh $130 6500 is enjoying that nice 4.500ghz.
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OCN, the pursuit of entitlement.

Remember in the good old days when you could pick up any processor you wanted, tweak the base clock and overclock it to perform better?

I can't wait to tell my great grand kids down the line that you used to be able to run hardware out of spec.

"This is a Core 2 Duo E67... 750? Yeah, E6750. I overclocked this lil' bugger right here from 2.66GHz to 4GHz!"

"Wow! Really? The Quantum FX Nova doesn't allow you to run them out of spec!"
Edited by TopicClocker - 2/5/16 at 1:03am
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"Wow! Really? The Quantum FX Nova doesn't allow you to run them out of spec!"
Is that a leak? TELL US!
    
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