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"Where you going with the soldering iron, needle-nose, and that other stuff, honey?"

"I am going to go try and overclock my computer."

I remember the days of physically modifying your rig to OC.

Haha Like my old 8088 where I replaced the 4MHz with a 12MHz CPU and crystal, good ol days indeed. We didn't need no stinking BIOS rolleyes.gif
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well we only can blame the so called "overclocker or enthusiast" that lost sight of what i deem as a true over clocker/enthusiast...
the ones that spend 100's or 1000's at components i.e x/k series chips or Ti's/K|NGP|N versions of cards. hand picked cherry ones. rather than the something and tweaking it for days, getting better performance as you could with what you got....

i remember the days how i found ocn. had an old sony vios with a locked bios and searched high and low how to overclock this mofo... was told no way
then, we figure out that taking memory stick out booting up, wait for the beep, shut down, mem back in boot up, went straight to unlocked bios and could adjust lil bit of voltage and bus to acheive an overclock....

anyways.... look at your sig rig b4 coming here and blaming intel and others for this... blame yourselves

in closing i mean no disrespect to anyone that buys what they buys. this is just my opinion on why intel, amd, nvidia take advantage of us and control what we are allowed to do with our hardware.
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If anything, the K chips are the ones that are gimped in terms of features beyond unlocked multis.

In your 3570 vs 3570K example, the 3570K doesn't support either vPro or VT-d, but 3570 non-K does. Likewise for 2600K and 4770K. Starting with 4790K however, Intel finally relented slightly and it now supports VT-d, but still not vPro, same story with 6700K vs 6700.

pretty much, which is why i buy non K exclusively
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well we only can blame the so called "overclocker or enthusiast" that lost sight of what i deem as a true over clocker/enthusiast...
the ones that spend 100's or 1000's at components i.e x/k series chips or Ti's/K|NGP|N versions of cards. hand picked cherry ones. rather than the something and tweaking it for days, getting better performance as you could with what you got....

i remember the days how i found ocn. had an old sony vios with a locked bios and searched high and low how to overclock this mofo... was told no way
then, we figure out that taking memory stick out booting up, wait for the beep, shut down, mem back in boot up, went straight to unlocked bios and could adjust lil bit of voltage and bus to acheive an overclock....

anyways.... look at your sig rig b4 coming here and blaming intel and others for this... blame yourselves

in closing i mean no disrespect to anyone that buys what they buys. this is just my opinion on why intel, amd, nvidia take advantage of us and control what we are allowed to do with our hardware.

alot of self entitled overclockers that just want it easy with just a multiplier adjustment to join the 5ghz OC club. gone are the skills of a true OCer

add that with hardware snobbery and elitism breading some toxic master race

now every idiot and their mom gets a K with a entry level motherboard for their office PC just because getting a K sounds cooler
Edited by akromatic - 2/5/16 at 2:30pm
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I understand the disappointment, but to ask why? Non K CPU were bought locked and really one should expect that it stay that way. They never supported this feature officially.

Doesn't mean you should limit people's freedoms, it's not a subscription service it's money tendered for a physical product. you should be able to do what ever you want to it. and on that note i'm sure hacked bioses will be made.
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Just because it seems it was actually needed this time?

How many pages have people complained about this now? And do you, or anyone in that fact, actually think Intel cares? The same goes for people calling them "greedy" - they are an company and not a privately held one at that. Its their duty to make as much money as possible. And if they step above the law they get fined (as they have). Just because some one deems its "wrong" to lock non K series, thats their opinion. Sure, by morals its wrong, no doubt about that. But in the end "morals" wont pay your bills even more if those bills are in billions.

We know Intel doesn't care, that's not what the issue is. I honestly don't know how or any details regarding Intel being able to pull this off. I understand on some of the lower boards because of the way they are designed and it's always been like that, the chipset series went hand in hand with the mb's feature set, but for the Z series at least it makes no sense. Mb makers should be able to add any features they can to differentiate themselves from others in the market that their engineering team can come up with.

I mean even when there was a northbridge and mb makers used Intels own NB Intel didn't have enough control over them to force them to edit their mb features to prevent any manipulation of the clocks.

And I for one am even today doing a fresh build for a client/friend and went AMD due to this decision by Intel. I already built me a skylake based HTPC but no more.

The issue is the precedence that is being set, that's what is under all of this to me. Yes for now we have bios in the wild that we can find, but what about after the next MB revision etc. And this is not like the previous issues which Intel squashed which was oc'ing on non Z motherboards.

I just can't find any reason in my head to justify this from a business perspective especially knowing how small the true oc'ing community is. I prevented at least 10 sales to Intel today alone and I'll keep doing that. Intel screwed themselves with SandyBridge, I broke once 5 plus years ago to their shenanigans but not again, I thought they were coming back on track, doesn't anybody remember their Skulltrail series boards, I mean come on Intel helped build our hobby up too but now they just see $$$$$$$$$$ out of us because hell we'll pay $3,000.00 for a damn Titan vidya cardz yo!!

Just sick of the industry and anyone who accepts and perpetuates it. mad.gif

God I hope AMD never leaves, I'll be jobless if they do.
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What is this nonsense about buying a K CPU to overclock? You people have no idea about overclocking if you think only K models should do it.

 

I have an E4300 that OC's by a gigahertz and it cost very little. I also had an E6300 that overclocked by the same. My old Q6600 overclocked by 900MHz before it degraded. But let's go back even further to the time of the PIII when I had a PIII 800 that overclocked to 1.1GHz. How about those old Pentium 60's that overclocked to 80 or 90MHz? Or even older when you could get a 33MHz chip and run it at 40-50MHz.

 

It's baffling to me that there are so many who think that overclocking should only be done on overpriced K models :doh: 

 

Next we're going to have people say that if you want to decorate your house a certain way you should buy the more expensive and overpriced models just because the builders say so.

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AMEN!

Serious the gains with high end parts are never as impressive as the overclocking boost of low end parts. The shift to high end only overclocking was marketing genius by Intel as it plays to the easiest thing to impress so called "enthusiasts", high benchmark scores. Overclocking is at it's best and most useful with low end or old parts trying to extend their life.

High end overclocking is just an epeen cash grab and sadly the "enthusiast" market has embraced it.

This is unfortunately the current state of the enthusiast PC building and benchmarking scene. There shouldn't be artificial limitations placed on overclocking period. Back in the day you had cheap chips that could be made relevant by overclockers and back then you had to have actual skills to set up an OC (unlike the K chips and UEFI bios's that allow anybody who can utilize a slider to OC their $250+ CPU's). The reason people were clamoring for this feature is the sad fact that Intel refuses to offer a budget overclockable chip like an i3 or a Pentium and force people to spend a minimum of $250 to get the functionality. Overclocking and benchmarking have long since become the exclusive realm of those who can afford to spend several thousands of dollars to buy extra performance rather than using skill and knowledge to make low end products perform in parity with higher end ones (which is what the original point of overclocking really was)...
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well we only can blame the so called "overclocker or enthusiast" that lost sight of what i deem as a true over clocker/enthusiast...
the ones that spend 100's or 1000's at components i.e x/k series chips or Ti's/K|NGP|N versions of cards. hand picked cherry ones. rather than the something and tweaking it for days, getting better performance as you could with what you got....

i remember the days how i found ocn. had an old sony vios with a locked bios and searched high and low how to overclock this mofo... was told no way
then, we figure out that taking memory stick out booting up, wait for the beep, shut down, mem back in boot up, went straight to unlocked bios and could adjust lil bit of voltage and bus to acheive an overclock....

anyways.... look at your sig rig b4 coming here and blaming intel and others for this... blame yourselves

in closing i mean no disrespect to anyone that buys what they buys. this is just my opinion on why intel, amd, nvidia take advantage of us and control what we are allowed to do with our hardware.

You're absolutely right to a degree and I think about how much I spent on my sig rig and feel a bit guilty about it to be honest. I guess back when I built this rig I had much more disposable income and much less knowledge and experience and so it was easy to just buy the best of the best and go from there. Nowadays I don't have that luxury and have long since seen others that I used to battle it out with far surpass my rig with new Titans and 5960X's etc and I can better appreciate how it feels to not have the ability to compete simply because I can't just spend the money to do so anymore. It would be nice to be able to buy a $100 processor and squeeze significantly more performance out of it without having to spend an arm and a leg to enjoy that "privilege"...
Edited by Majin SSJ Eric - 2/5/16 at 7:55pm
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Doesn't mean you should limit people's freedoms, it's not a subscription service it's money tendered for a physical product. you should be able to do what ever you want to it. and on that note i'm sure hacked bioses will be made.

welcome to hardware dictatorship, you better get used to forced redundancy real soon as i swear they would make you spend every year to upgrade both hardware and software just to remain in the supported circle jerk
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Shouldn't even be an issue. I have no problem with Intel doing this. Someone to cheap to buy the -K version shouldn't have the same abilities as one that does fork out the extra cash, all be it in a limited amount.

Let me just turn off my overclock and go back to 2.67ghz. But there isn't a K version in my processor family. What do you propose I do?
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When you have 0 competition on the CPU side, that's what happen. Intel can do what they want because AMD CPUs are marginal and sales are very low.
I blame Intel for doing it but I don't forget to blame AMD for slowing the CPU game like they do. Hope Zen will change things though.
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