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Marketshare actually reminded me something.

I'm not sure either I read it somewhere or heard it as a rumor but isn't there something on their cross-license that AMD can just go to a certain marketshare not to trigger some point in the license?

I've never heard of such a clause, since that would be anti-competitive and there's no way AMD would ever sign off on that.

Try to find some sources...
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I've never heard of such a clause, since that would be anti-competitive and there's no way AMD would ever sign off on that.

Try to find some sources...

Believe me, I am. I know how stupid it sounds but I can swear I've heard/read something like that. Maybe on some forum earlier and that would explain it. (Trolling..)

Found it!
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6.2. Termination of Section 2.0 Limitations . Section 2.0 shall terminate in its entirety, without the need for any further action by Intel, and shall be of no further force or effect if: a. Intel’s microprocessor unit share of the Worldwide PC Market Segment, which includes desktop, server and mobile platforms, drops below sixty-five percent (65%) for four consecutive quarters as reported by Mercury Research in its published report entitled “PC Processors and Chip Sets Updated Edition Market Strategy and Forecast Report.” In the event that Mercury Research ceases publishing such share data during the term of this Agreement, the parties will agree in good faith on another publication to reference for such share data.

If my English is well enough to understand this it's about marketing section which the 35% or more marketshare would trigger? Therefor Intel could start using it's "practices" again. But maybe I've got it wrong, not sure. My English is not that good.

AMD_Intel_Settlement_Agreement_-_Full.pdf 208k .pdf file

Kinda spooky to even think about this to be honest.
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Hmmm, gonna have to read into that, good find. thumb.gif

Ok, from what I gathered, Section 2 limitations will be dropped in 10 years or if AMD reaches 35% marketshare for 4 consecutive quarters.

This is only talking about the Section 2 limitations, not the x86 license.

The most worrying part is that in 3 years those Section 2 limitations will be dropped, and Intel can use those Section 2 limitations again?

AMD is nowhere near 35% now, as it applies to desktop, server and mobile platforms.
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honestly Intel could at least stop half of these if they release a K version for Pentium & i3.
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Hmmm, gonna have to read into that, good find. thumb.gif

Ok, from what I gathered, Section 2 limitations will be dropped in 10 years or if AMD reaches 35% marketshare for 4 consecutive quarters.

This is only talking about the Section 2 limitations, not the x86 license.

The most worrying part is that in 3 years those Section 2 limitations will be dropped, and Intel can use those Section 2 limitations again?

AMD is nowhere near 35% now, as it applies to desktop, server and mobile platforms.

Where did you find the 10 years part? What I gathered from there was that if AMD reaches 35% market in four quarters in a row Intel can do it instantly. Maybe I missed something.

Edit: Never mind, you meant 10 years from signing I'm assuming.

But it's still worrying. Basically the whole section 2 is about the same "bribing OEM's" basically.
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Where did you find the 10 years part? What I gathered from there was that if AMD reaches 35% market in four quarters in a row Intel can do it instantly. Maybe I missed something.

Edit: Never mind, you meant 10 years from signing I'm assuming.

But it's still worrying. Basically the whole section 2 is about the same "bribing OEM's" basically.

Yeah 10 years from signing, but Intel technically can't pull off those tactics again or they're just going to get sued. They faced 3 lawsuits last time.

The precedence has been set.
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Yeah 10 years from signing, but Intel technically can't pull off those tactics again or they're just going to get sued. They faced 3 lawsuits last time.

The precedence has been set.

Well, depends how lawyers turn it. By this document, they can. Unless AMD can somehow extend the 10 years.
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But you don't get it do you?
Even if everyone in the world, one by one, go to intel, and yell "I disapprove!!!" and then 5 minutes later go to the store and buy an intel CPU, those complaints are meaningless.
The only way to not accept what X company is doing, is buying something else.

You don't like what intel are doing? buy AMD.
You don't like what nvidia are doing? Buy AMD.
You don't like what apple are doing? Buy samsung, buy LG, buy HTC, etc etc.
You don't like what google are doing? Buy apple.
You don't like what microsoft are doing? Move to free linux builds.
You don't like what intel, amd, nvidia, apple, samsung, google, etc etc, are doing? Go live in a cave.

The only way to complain and make any effect at all, is to use your wallet. That is how companies change their ways. No other way.

So if you still buy it after you complain, your complaint is meaningless.

Not sure who invited you to this conversation, as your comments don't make any sense in the context of my posts I made earlier. But, I figure that my Nvidia comment has gotten your knickers' in a knot... Lol
I have already said, I refuse to buy another Nvidia product, next.........
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Am I the only one who doesn't see an issue here? You have bought a CPU that is not advertised as overclockable, how exactly do you get upset when you can't overclock it?
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Agreed.

Just because it's not an official feature doesn't mean you can't do it. This is an artificial limitation being imposed by Intel, that's why people are angry, and rightfully so.
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So dont update that BIOS?

Is this supposed to be acceptable? Often there are good reasons to update the BIOS.

I actually wonder what people like both of you and a few others are doing in this forum. I wonder this because I noticed an archetype that is very common and has become increasingly more numerous in the last few years. Let's call it "Corporate Puppy" for convenience. Why do you people have this impetus to defend corporations in every scummy decision they make? Often the rhetoric translates to "don't complain, accept, obey, conform, submit and be quiet".

I've seen your archetype in action in numerous issues, but they always involve the "corporations are de facto correct, customer dissatisfaction is incorrect". I just don't understand what the hell is wrong with you people. Why are you so eager to attack customer freedom in every way possible? What the hell is your agenda? Why can't people be subjected to a minimum standard of quality and respect?
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Yeah 10 years from signing, but Intel technically can't pull off those tactics again or they're just going to get sued. They faced 3 lawsuits last time.

The precedence has been set.

@2010rig

You see how quiet it got all of the sudden? Wonder why... tongue.gif
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Just because it's not an official feature doesn't mean you can't do it. This is an artificial limitation being imposed by Intel, that's why people are angry, and rightfully so.
Is this supposed to be acceptable? Often there are good reasons to update the BIOS.

I actually wonder what people like both of you and a few others are doing in this forum. I wonder this because I noticed an archetype that is very common and has become increasingly more numerous in the last few years. Let's call it "Corporate Puppy" for convenience. Why do you people have this impetus to defend corporations in every scummy decision they make? Often the rhetoric translates to "don't complain, accept, obey, conform, submit and be quiet".

I've seen your archetype in action in numerous issues, but they always involve the "corporations are de facto correct, customer dissatisfaction is incorrect". I just don't understand what the hell is wrong with you people. Why are you so eager to attack customer freedom in every way possible? What the hell is your agenda? Why can't people be subjected to a minimum standard of quality and respect?

I'm sorry if it has felt that way for you.

I have no need to talk about corporate interests. But the only thing to fight it with is to take the second option. You, me and Intel all know that's not going to happen. At least not now. Did I say it's right? By law, yes. By morals, no.

Either you like or not, laws are what matter. Don't like it? Elect someone else for the job.

Thankfully, around here I got all the consumer protection that I need. smile.gif
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