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I've seen your archetype in action in numerous issues, but they always involve the "corporations are de facto correct, customer dissatisfaction is incorrect". I just don't understand what the hell is wrong with you people. Why are you so eager to attack customer freedom in every way possible? What the hell is your agenda? Why can't people be subjected to a minimum standard of quality and respect?
Because complaining on a forum makes absolutely no difference. The one thing that could sway a profit-minded company is less profit being derived from decisions, and that implies voting with the wallet, and, unless you're ready to NOT update the BIOS, that requires not upgrading at all or buying a "K" version. This is not World Peace. There's no organization fighting for "overclockability" for us, the low-to-middle class. This 1st-World struggle is not as important as your post makes it seem.

And it's funny YOU, of all people, mention "respect".
    
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Because complaining on a forum makes absolutely no difference. The one thing that could sway a profit-minded company is less profit being derived from decisions, and that implies voting with the wallet, and, unless you're ready to NOT update the BIOS, that requires not upgrading at all or buying a "K" version. This is not World Peace. There's no organization fighting for "overclockability" for us, the low-to-middle class. This 1st-World struggle is not as important as your post makes it seem.

And it's funny YOU, of all people, mention "respect".

Basically what I meant but could not put into words. Thanks. smile.gif
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Ok, let's say even if AMD can manage miracles with Zen and improve further than what Intel has out right now. (We're being hypothetical, right?)

I'm quite sure Intel is or will be very quickly prepared for that. (I'm not sure how but...)

Also, a side note, did you by any chance see that Intel is not an featured sponsor anymore? tongue.gif

In the big workstation/server market, AMD are going to have to work really hard.
In the mini servers, if AMD+ARM cooperative works pays out, intel will actually have to work harder. But I'm sure they can easily price cut a bit and regain market.

In the desktop on the other hand, extreme multi cores aren't what we really need. Games and most software can not use so many cores. Even the 8 cores / 16 threads are already too much for most software and games.
In there, higher IPC and better performing cores, with a bit more internal memory, is what will really push things off. But again, I'm sure intel will easily reduce 10% off the price if not more if they have to, and use their new low nm manufacturing abilities to their advantage, and put some extra performance per cores.
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Because complaining on a forum makes absolutely no difference. The one thing that could sway a profit-minded company is less profit being derived from decisions, and that implies voting with the wallet, and, unless you're ready to NOT update the BIOS, that requires not upgrading at all or buying a "K" version. This is not World Peace. There's no organization fighting for "overclockability" for us, the low-to-middle class. This 1st-World struggle is not as important as your post makes it seem.

And it's funny YOU, of all people, mention "respect".

I am criticizing the inherent instinct those people have of defending corporations in decisions that are against them, and willingly offering itself to defend said corporation, to criticize the people that are rightfully complaining. It's complaining about people complaining without even being paid. Free, voluntary work in defending a corporation image for *nothing*. That is what I'm wondering about. It's insanity to me.

And it's funny ME of all people to mention "respect" because...?
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Because being an realist means "defending the big corporations"... rolleyes.gif

If you wish to live in some magical unicorn world, that's up to you. thumb.gif
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Because being an realist means "defending the big corporations"... rolleyes.gif

If you wish to live in some magical unicorn world, that's up to you. thumb.gif

I see you still don't quite get what I mean, you keep swerving into a subject which is NOT what I'm talking about. I can't further simplify it.

But commenting on what you're implying here, there are actually organizations which fight against artificial restrictions in technology, like the EFF and the FSF. Funny a "realist" like you never heard of them.
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Because EFF has any power over anything. rolleyes.gif

And actually I don't need to care about EFF since I'm in Europe which means I got EC for that, which has actually DONE something. smile.gif (If you're too young or can't remember, the two who actually did something are the EC and FTC.)

Anyway, I'm done with this discussion. You keep pushing something that isn't real and only exists on some magical land that you're living in while the rest of us actually live in the real world where there are laws which seem utopic for you and you want to be a rebel in. Really don't need or want to be a part of that discussion.

Non-profits are exactly that, non-profits that have no actual power over anything. They can scream, shout and what not, that won't change anything..
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We know Intel doesn't care, that's not what the issue is. I honestly don't know how or any details regarding Intel being able to pull this off. I understand on some of the lower boards because of the way they are designed and it's always been like that, the chipset series went hand in hand with the mb's feature set, but for the Z series at least it makes no sense. Mb makers should be able to add any features they can to differentiate themselves from others in the market that their engineering team can come up with.

I mean even when there was a northbridge and mb makers used Intels own NB Intel didn't have enough control over them to force them to edit their mb features to prevent any manipulation of the clocks.

And I for one am even today doing a fresh build for a client/friend and went AMD due to this decision by Intel. I already built me a skylake based HTPC but no more.

The issue is the precedence that is being set, that's what is under all of this to me. Yes for now we have bios in the wild that we can find, but what about after the next MB revision etc. And this is not like the previous issues which Intel squashed which was oc'ing on non Z motherboards.

I just can't find any reason in my head to justify this from a business perspective especially knowing how small the true oc'ing community is. I prevented at least 10 sales to Intel today alone and I'll keep doing that. Intel screwed themselves with SandyBridge, I broke once 5 plus years ago to their shenanigans but not again, I thought they were coming back on track, doesn't anybody remember their Skulltrail series boards, I mean come on Intel helped build our hobby up too but now they just see $$$$$$$$$$ out of us because hell we'll pay $3,000.00 for a damn Titan vidya cardz yo!!

Just sick of the industry and anyone who accepts and perpetuates it. mad.gif

God I hope AMD never leaves, I'll be jobless if they do.

I remember Skulltrail and remember it fondly as the best system I've ever owned. Incredible performance, years ahead of its time. Unfortunately, we only see products of that caliber from Intel when they are pushed into it by AMD.

Skulltrail=direct response to AMD's 2x4 FX platform. As soon as FX platform went away, Skulltrail went away.
Original Extreme Edition=direct response to AMD's FX processor introduction. Intel immediately went top shelf, took their best Xeon MP 2M CPU and converted it for desktop use. Instantly. Took them three months to have any chips in the channel. This shows what they can (but very rarely) do.

I resent the fact that Intel makes such excellent top end Xeon processors, but hard locks them so that people paying $5000 for one can't use it's full potential. Absolutely ignorant on Intel's part. The recent moves to marginalize overclocking and forbid the use of Xeons for any kind of overclocking activity are just more of this ignorant behavior.

Enthusiasts have to protest if they don't like what Intel is doing. Not the petty, I'm-voting-with-my-wallet protest..,,Intel could care less. But when you take the time to e-mail those at Intel in the positions to enact change, it shows them you care, that you're passionate about your hobby and that you don't appreciate them acting in this manner. I have, personally done so many, many times and I even went so far as to show up at Intel's IDF 2015 last year in San Francisco to push them on the topic nearest and dearest to my heart, that of the locked top SKU HCC Xeons. If nothing else, I spurred the discussion and got people talking about it, when the topic of overclocking amongst most people at Intel is one that doesn't even get discussed in many cases and is often the result of one person at Intel making a hasty and ill-informed decision. Such things may not change the decision made at the end of the day, but at least it ensures that your voice is heard, ensures an internal discussion at Intel about it and if enough people communicate their dissatisfaction, it'll begin to weigh on the desicions that are made at Intel.

Basically what it boils down to is this...you're mad? Get off your butt and tell Intel directly. Do so repeatedly and to many people at Intel who make, manage and plan these parts. We, as enthusiasts, have to comminicate our desires to those at Intel who are capable of actually helping us out and push them hard to really consider what they're doing.
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I like the fact that they waited for people to go and clear out a lot of the Non-K SKUs in hopes that they would be able to overclocking their lower price CPUs, before implementing this overclocking bug patch. Now all those people are left with their Non-overclocking chips and motherboards.

I can't say i'm surprised as much as i'm disappointed. I remember when Intel announced that they would be implementing overclocking only in select SKUs in Sandy bridge chips. At that time, the price for a 2500k was around 225CDN. Now a 6600k is 360CDN. I mean, I know the Canadian dollar is in the crapper, but even when you account for the exchange disparity, the increase is ridiculous.

No competition and the willingness of many people to cowtow to Intel's lead no matter how ridiculous has lead us to this.
 
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I like the fact that they waited for people to go and clear out a lot of the Non-K SKUs in hopes that they would be able to overclocking their lower price CPUs, before implementing this overclocking bug patch. Now all those people are left with their Non-overclocking chips and motherboards.

I can't say i'm surprised as much as i'm disappointed. I remember when Intel announced that they would be implementing overclocking only in select SKUs in Sandy bridge chips. At that time, the price for a 2500k was around 225CDN. Now a 6600k is 360CDN. I mean, I know the Canadian dollar is in the crapper, but even when you account for the exchange disparity, the increase is ridiculous.

No competition and the willingness of many people to cowtow to Intel's lead no matter how ridiculous has lead us to this.

yeah they've gone up in america too. i remember seeing 2500k when they were the hot stuff, in their prime, on sale for $190 - $200. now people freakout when a 6600k goes on sale for $230 - $240. currently on newegg its $257.

just ignore the massively inflated price of the 6700k at the moment.

i also feel like intel has been shafting the "k series. they release them as the "overclocking" chips but the QC with them are terrible. tim paste instead of soldering the heat spreader to the lack of a stock voltage. instead its a stock voltage range.
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