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You really think that, across the world, everyone can afford a 4770K or better, or even a Unlocked CPU?

A cheap AMD/Intel CPU in USA, can be a Hi end CPU in other country, since taxes and local currency plays a big role in the product price.

Can you imagine that people tend to overclock low end parts to reach hi end performance levels because they CANNOT AFFORD HI END PARTS !

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For me it's is not worth the effort to overclock an i3 chip. When I overclock I want the absolute best there is and then push it even further. Once a chip is no longer top of the line and I put it into some other pc like a server or media center I don't even bother overclocking. What makes people buy i3s and spend the effort to overclock them and still have an inferior system? Why not spend that time making some money and getting far bigger boost in performance by buying top of the line?

People tend to forget the old days ! Or even dont know about it.

How overclock really began. In my case, with jumpers back in 1992, but for most, with BIOS using locked CPU´s.

Nice Post !
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It boggles my mind that some people here are actually supporting Intel. Do you guys not remember back to the late 90s - mid 2000s when almost all CPUs were multiplier-locked, and factory unlocked processors didn't exist? If you wanted to overclock, you had to rely on FSB OCing provided by your motherboard. It wasn't until 2004 or so when manufacturers started coming out with unlocked processors - the $900 P4 EE and Athlon FX-51 - vastly out of reach for the majority of people. If you wanted to multiplier OC, you had to physically modify your processor.

This website likely wouldn't exist if it weren't for motherboards providing overclocking features on otherwise locked processors. Now you're telling people to just suck it up and by the unlocked part, and that it's okay for Intel to tell motherboard manufacturers what to do?

Exact ! Spot On !

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This is why AMD needs to survive. Intel has a boot over AMD's throat at the moment but imagine if AMD wasn't even there. $250 Core i3 with no HT. Core i5 K Series $550.

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I'd say that 10k views and 275 replies constitutes some type of backlash, wouldn't you?

No, you're missing my point. Yeah we go RARRRR!!! OVERCLOCKNET SMASH!!!!!!

...and....

...then...

.......keep buying Intel, because...uh...AMD?
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No, you're missing my point. Yeah we go RARRRR!!! OVERCLOCKNET SMASH!!!!!!

...and....

...then...

.......keep buying Intel, because...uh...AMD?

Well to be fair if you are strictly a gamer and don't care about benchmark numbers then AMD makes perfectly adequate CPU's for that purpose, and at a significant cost savings as well. Pure gamers absolutely should not be dismissing AMD's products out of hand. That said, I understand that there are many other uses people put their computers to (such as video production and encoding) in which they certainly would be far better off with Intel's offerings...
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I think the thing that stands out to me with that comparison is the 1600mhz ddr3 vs 3400 MHz ddr4... that would make a pretty big difference no?

good catch!

for whatever i thought it was ddr4 2400 not 3200. tongue.gif

as far as being a difference, absolutely. i recall some ddr3/ddr4 gaming comparisons being similar as the video; makes a difference in some games but not all. i'm looking to find some benches with the same games but my google-fu is weak ATM.

need more coffee. redface.gif
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Backlash to what? What's the alternative?
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No, you're missing my point. Yeah we go RARRRR!!! OVERCLOCKNET SMASH!!!!!!

...and....

...then...

.......keep buying Intel, because...uh...AMD?
We aren't the only forum discussing this, but you make a good point; if AMD were to use this faux pas in a future marketing campaign, they'd be taken to task by many members of this very community that are bemoaning intel's dominance and underhanded tactics.
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Okay so you seem to have a few errors in your knowledge of bioses.

"from what i understand many manufacturers lock their UEFIs so that other vendors can't copy modules and features." This is semi true, Bioses can and are locked down however they are unlockable by bios modders. This has been a commonplace practice for a long long time. The motherboard manufactures do not make Bioses, they can edit to there needs and have features added but they do not make them nor own them they license them just like they do rights for Intel parts.

"Also, from what i understand, the base BIOS code is distributed by Intel to its partners" again completely false and falls back in line with above. Asus, MSI, Asrock ect they do not make bioses neither does Intel. Bios manufactures are completely separate companies, such as AMI, Award, Pheonix, DMT. The base bios is not made by the people you seem to think it is, it is simply edited by those makers or they provide the needs and specs to the maker.

I stopped reading here, since your information is a bit outdated, and since I don't really want to get into this since i don't want to go on record and confirm anything. I should clarify something for you, since the introduction of UEFi, Intel basically chose AMI as a sole source provider. Pheonix still does some stuff, but I doubt you will find anything other than AMI in any consumer motherboard that supports CPUs that can overclock. Intel has a huge influence on what base code is supplied to the vendors, especially since they don't have to go to many different BIOS companies. Also FYI, AWARD has been dead for many years (since UEFi). GIGABYTE got a bunch of AWARD BIOS guys on their team before UEFI was introduced, and you can't ignore their struggle at UEFI's release.

Also, if these BIOS hackers and modders are so good, why aren't they unlocking overclocking and other things? Why are the BIOS guys at these motherboard vendors the only guys who do anything? (and they all do it at the same time). All i see from modders is adding in support for storage technologies (like NVMe) and new firmware for controllers, I rarely see them make any real changes in the BIOS. Why don't these skilled dudes go an unlock OEM laptops to allow for overclocking? lol

If they can do it, lets see it!

Also, Intel has a very far reach. Under the trade secrets act they have huge amounts of power. Besides their power within the USA, when i see the Chinese arrest and prosecute their own for selling an American company's ES CPUs, it really makes me think. Also, you heavily under estimate Intel's power, if it's in Intel's best interest, it's probably in the best interest of the US government. You think spying on American citizens is bad? Imagine what they have been doing for companies they consider critical to the US economy.
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WCCF may as well remove "might" from the title, I got confirmation of this on 23 December already and posted about it then.
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WCCF may as well remove "might" from the title, I got confirmation of this on 23 December already and posted about it then.
Confirmation ?Are you referring to your post in this thread from December:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1584399/hwbot-unlocked-bclk-for-all-skylake-cpus-by-asus-and-asrock/30#post_24729420


These websites would re-release an article before they go back and start editing, imo.
Edited by alphabet - 2/9/16 at 2:28am
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ppssst he quoted himself from a december post.
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ppssst he quoted himself from a december post.
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I'm still wondering if there is a true "confirmation" besides him quoting himself
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