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you mean you can't use xmp on non-k chips and non z-mobos? well that is stupid, but if that is true how did digital foundry manage to test i5 6500 with 3200MHz DDR4 ?
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This just shows once again Intel has way too much say and control over companies. You know when I first started overclocking it was just a bunch of jumpers on a motherboard, we progressed and settings went through Bios.

No company had overclocking chips, it's all marketing now. Intel has no real control over this hardware wise since they untied all the clocks but they are strong arming the mb manufacturers.

Wish it was the way it used to be, heck FSB and what we call baseclock overclocking was never supported ever, it was on the buyer to stay within spec.

I just don't see why Intel screws over the community so much all the time now. I didn't even need a new build but did one just because you could OC Skylake kinda like the old days, I think this will hurt Intel more than help them but the market won't allow that because really what choice do consumers have realistically.

This just makes me very sad, even more sad is the plethora of blind followers defending Intel.

PS: Running my Pentium G4400 at 4.8GHz with no issue or missing features etc, has been running just fine. Only small tick is not showing cpu temps but it's under water so I don't really worry about temps anyway with such a small tdp.
Edited by rx7racer - 2/4/16 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by MonarchX View Post

Just a common sense advice: Download and keep BIOS versions with Non-K OC Feature! Then, someone may figure out how to integrate the same feature at least in future BIOS for at least the same manufacturer.

Is Acer the only one with such an update?

EDIT: DO NOT FEAR! I am certain that UEFI BIOS Updater (UBU) will be able to provide you with an older CPU Microcode for just about any BIOS out there!!! Learn more about UBU here - http://www.win-raid.com/t154f16-Tool-Guide-News-quot-UEFI-BIOS-Updater-quot-UBU.html .

It's really not optimal to run an old BIOS version just to get the OC feature, because newer BIOSes may fix bugs and/or provide new features. This was the case often when stabilizing overclocks on recent CPU and RAM, where it took new BIOS revisions to work out the kinks.

Supermicro was the first out with a motherboard that supported the non-K OC feature, which broke the news early on. It wasn't until about a few weeks afterward when others started offering the same feature in updated BIOSes. Not sure why ASRock is getting all the flak, because Supermicro did advertise it as well and earlier on.
 
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ahh forgot about it... sneaky fellas intel, sure they are

would be nice if such an update could be blocked somehow, but anyways just wanted to point out there's a reason beyond fancy looks for Z motherboards,
and for i3s I'd sure love them unlocked, like that G3285 was a nice idea, so maybe they're just prepping a new such product as nothing comes free smile.gif

CPU MicroCode needs to be flashed and it more than likely requires to be flashed in DOS or within BIOS, not within Windows itself unlike many other devices. Intel could force MS to release an update like that, but considering the vast number of Skylake motherboard manufacturers multiplied by versions of those files with new CPU MicroCode per single model + considering the number of possible problems, I'd say it would be a really bad move for Intel. If their update screws up your BIOS and prevents you from loading your PC, some major lawsuits will come to Intel's doors for something that isn't even going to make a dent in their net profits, let alone total sales.
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Having a choice makes all the difference. Have we forgotten the day when the FX-57 was king. It's $1,031 because they could charge they much. Intel knows if they raises there prices too high the OEMs, builders would just switch to AMD. We have long been in the age of good enough computing. Anything else is just icing on the cake. Unless your doing bomb defusal simulations and seconds to a min or 2 actually matter.

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Am I the only one who doesn't see an issue here? You have bought a CPU that is not advertised as overclockable, how exactly do you get upset when you can't overclock it?

The entire "locked" and "un-locked" processor scheme is just that, and is crap to begin with. When it first started happening a lot of us were damn pissed.
    
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It's really not optimal to run an old BIOS version just to get the OC feature, because newer BIOSes may fix bugs and/or provide new features. This was the case often when stabilizing overclocks on recent CPU and RAM, where it took new BIOS revisions to work out the kinks.

Supermicro was the first out with a motherboard that supported the non-K OC feature, which broke the news early on. It wasn't until about a few weeks afterward when others started offering the same feature in updated BIOSes. Not sure why ASRock is getting all the flak, because Supermicro did advertise it as well and earlier on.

Who said anything about older BIOS versions? With UBU, you can use the very latest BIOS version and integrate whichever CPU MicroCode available, allowing you benefits of both - bug fixes from newer BIOS versions & Non-K CPU OC from a separate MicroCode. Besides, UBU almost always comes with firmware for several specific devices, such as Intel RST, Intel GOP, Intel LAN, ASMedia SATA, etc., that is newer than the ones manufacturers ship in their latest BIOS versions.

I've done this on my Z77-V Pro. I used the latest official BIOS version from ASUS, then used UBU to update Intel RST, Intel MEI, Intel GOP, Intel LAN, and ASMedia SATA to the latest version, and then used UBU to update CPU MicroCode to a specific version for higher OC! Its not technically a version for higher OC, but it is best for those who OC because it was when it was tested, it showed identical CPU OC's could be achieved at lower voltages when compared against CPU MicroCodes.

P.S. Intel MEI and ASMedia USB Firmware updates require separate flashing and the latest versions + flashing instructions can be found on the same forum as UBU - Win-Raid.com .

EDIT: Also, newer CPU MicroCodes are not likely to provide bug fixes or anything like that. Just like with Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge, newer CPU MicroCodes may very much decrease OC or require higher voltage. The most significant possible bug fixing from newer CPU MicroCodes is DRAM compatibility.
Edited by MonarchX - 2/4/16 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post

I thought this was just a rumour... they are really doing it, wow.

As of late a lot of well known companies seem to be doing their best to upset customers and going against common sense.

This is the kind of super bad PR no company wants and one of the biggest mistakes they could have made. You don't let the cat out of the bag initially if you plan to try to put it back in again, it doesn't work like that.

If they didn't intend for this to be a possibility they should have just kept the platform specs as in previous CPU generations that prevented it.

They can do what they want

*what you gona do

An AMD cpu?

didnt think so.*


Thats what intel are thinking right now.
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They can do what they want

*what you gona do

An AMD cpu?

didnt think so.*


Thats what intel are thinking right now.
that's funny how ppl think if it wasn't for amd then i5 K prices would skyrocket due to no competition.
they're already hugely overpriced, and that is because there IS no competition from amd. the K-versions aren't even using solder anymore,not to mention they OC worse than 2500K,and all this for more and more money.
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You know what I think bugs me most, is it seems most posting think that the only way we ever overclocked was with authorized unlocked multiplier manipulation. Do you hear or read what you are saying.

There would be no overclocking without those who ran their cpu's and other various parts out of spec to see what they could really do when Intel had no final authority, which it still shouldn't have in my opinion.

I mean I relate because if say PNY in 1993(yes I purchased a PNY cpu which was a Cyrix x86 chip) forced mb makers to somehow only allow certain jumpers set when certain cpu's were installed I would never have gotten into this lifelong dream of a hobby the way I did, running a 133MHz cpu at a whopping 200Mhz was fantastic and thrilling!!

All this does is raise the entry ceiling even higher for anyone to be able to join and enjoy in our hobby, everyone should be pissed about this especially after Intel knew what they were doing with the separation of internal clocks again in the microarch.

I enjoyed the times when it wasn't the money that made the OC'er but the options of what there was to OC.
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