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Not really sure why, but as of now I don't like the term "banned" being thrown around just yet. Perhaps the manufactures are banned from keeping the feature on their motherboards, and Intel's update is forcing them to do so, but the people who will continue using older BIOS are most likely not going to be banned or anything drastic like that.
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Was considering an budget i3 + Z MB build for a friend, guess not.
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I understand the disappointment, but to ask why? Non K CPU were bought locked and really one should expect that it stay that way. They never supported this feature officially.

This right here ladies and gentlemen is the sign of how far things have fallen apart. To post something like this on this website is just flabbergasting of how the consumer/community has accepted and become conditioned to accept (dare I even say defend) Intel's tactics. Honestly, I can transpose such arguments against itself like this; "I ask why buy a K CPU; CPUs are bought with factory clocks and one should expect them to stay in those clocks. OCing through multiplier changes were never an officially supported feature as the fine print in the owner's manual states that unofficial clock speeds produced through methods such as overclocking void the warranty and are not officially supported."

Is this site Overclock.net anymore or has it become OCN and we no longer remember what the acronym means?
     
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This right here ladies and gentlemen is the sign of how far things have fallen apart. To post something like this on this website is just flabbergasting of how the consumer/community has accepted and become conditioned to accept (dare I even say defend) Intel's tactics. Honestly, I can transpose such arguments against itself like this; "I ask why buy a K CPU; CPUs are bought with factory clocks and one should expect them to stay in those clocks. OCing through multiplier changes were never an officially supported feature as the fine print in the owner's manual states that unofficial clock speeds produced through methods such as overclocking void the warranty and are not officially supported."

Is this site Overclock.net anymore or has it become OCN and we no longer remember what the acronym means?


Funny you should quote this just as I looked in, but a dose of reality normally gets people angry.


Tactics: Defined as separating SKU - Real world terminology is marketing strategy. Intel supports overclocking, they even have ITP for when not only an item is damaged but is potentially not that great a sample (used the plan for this multiple times). The reason this is being shut down as swiftly as it is, is because vendors like Asrock are openly marketing it. Intel never acknowledged this - yet people are moaning it is being phased out with newer ucode as if they didn't expect it to happen. Unlike yourself, I associate overclocking with 'doing' and getting the most out of ones system, which generally doesn't involve middle of the road SKU's to begin with. I hope that is OCN enough for you.
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Elaborate please, how does 5960x at 4.5Ghz collide with what I said?

Your htpc (I think that's what it is) is the first rig showing, he/she might not have clicked over.

 

This.

 

My mistake!

   
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Am I the only one who doesn't see an issue here? You have bought a CPU that is not advertised as overclockable, how exactly do you get upset when you can't overclock it?

Lol now you guys are ok with intel telling you how you can use your cpu that you bought.

Hope none of you speed with your $16k car because its not ment to go fast. Buy a $200k car if you wang to they are advertised as fast cars. Lol
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Funny you should quote this just as I looked in, but a dose of reality normally gets people angry.


Tactics: Defined as separating SKU - Real world terminology is marketing strategy. Intel supports overclocking, they even have ITP for when not only an item is damaged but is potentially not that great a sample (used the plan for this multiple times). The reason this is being shut down as swiftly as it is, is because vendors like Asrock are openly marketing it. Intel never acknowledged this - yet people are moaning it is being phased out with newer ucode as if they didn't expect it to happen. Unlike yourself, I associate overclocking with 'doing' and getting the most out of ones system, which generally doesn't involve middle of the road SKU's to begin with. I hope that is OCN enough for you.


Wow, that's not OCN to me, well didn't use to be.

Used to be more like hey $300 is your budget, cool well get this this and this and oc it and now your system runs like a $600 build.

But, I guess just tossing money at the screen is the way to do things now a days. headscratch.gif

I mean the motherboard has always been at the heart of overclocking before sckt 1155. It just sucks the industry is scared to stand up and say hey, these are our features not yours, sorry bout your luck. Do you think DFI ever explained to Intel why they had a bajillion timings and clock skews etc to run their products out of specs 10 years ago, no, no they didn't, they did what they wanted to do and had passion doing it.

Stop conforming, it's my hardware physically, if I want to run it out of spec so be it!

I mean we are the ones that have to speak up instead of just taking it, which I will do by not doing another SkyLake build and referring most budget builds I get back to AMD once again, not like all the AMD builds I've done have unhappy customers, for most everyday budget builds AND still does good and better, Intel just does best
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Overclocking was always about these in poverty getting something decent by theirs effort. Aka money can't buy quality overclocked CPU. Well, things are bit more commercialized and CPU have much thinner margins of working frequencies. (Also Intel played with overclocking by manufacturer, by that turbo stuff.)

Old CPUs were cheap and overclockable because Intel couldn't lock overclocking of low end CPUs. RAM controller went to die, and things changed. Now the important part with VRM moving to die as well is how brutally stronger than needed are these VRMs. The second part of equation is how large error margin Intel allow. If too thin, they would be practically overclocked by manufacturer. If sufficiently large, there is still the problem how to get that heat from die.

I currently see larger problem than just K version of CPUs are overclockable. The problem is called lead free solder. If your MB is more likely to have manufacturing defect because of lead free solder, or if it will simply fall apart sooner. You could say overclocking bye as well. Only WS boards are available after warranty, and they are expensive as hell.

Actually I think we are nearing into problems with durability of CPUs. Originally 10 year old CPUs were not that uncommon, but the 3 year warranty from Intel, and then as long as user would be lucky can result in relatively short time on 7 nm. (Yes Intel allows to purchase tuning plan, but the question is how much more would you pay for 7 nm tuning plan...) Will our entertainment disappear in a flash, or would we be able to overclock optical CPUs and stuff that will came after 7 nm?
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Yeah I know.... Hence the accentuated "LOL"

But a man can dream biggrin.gif

I hear ya.

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Am I the only one who doesn't see an issue here? You have bought a CPU that is not advertised as overclockable, how exactly do you get upset when you can't overclock it?

Because vendors then advertised overclocking with a new overclockable BIOS, only to then be taken away by Intel, that's why....
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