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How much more can you get out of Non-K CPU's with those CPU MicroCodes? Nowhere near K-level I bet. How much do Non-K CPU's cost compared to their K counterparts (6700K vs. 6700 non-K) ? Greedy, GREEDY Intel...
post #92 of 340
this is what u get mr. Intel for not releasing Pentium & i3 K edition. rolleyes.gif

If they do those above, it will be a lot less people to bother to try OC a non-K.
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1590077/asus-z87-a-enhanced-turbo-for-non-k-cpus

i recently found out how to achieve enhanced turbo.
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ASRock has already pulled any information for SkyOC off of their site.

Google Cache still has it though: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yJaYpsGPam4J:www.asrock.com/news/index.br.asp%3Fid%3D3132+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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One might wonder, "this is too good to be true, what's the catch?" Well, if you had to ask, there are two almost unnoticeable limitations. The first one is the onboard Intel® graphics will be disabled while SKY OC is applied, meaning that users are required to install a graphics card. The second limitation is that CPU Turbo Ratio and C-State will also be disabled.

While ASRock SKY OC breathes life into Intel® non K series CPUs, currently it is still exclusive to motherboards with Intel's Z170 chipset. But have faith in ASRock's skillful engineers, sooner or later more Christmas gifts from ASRock are going to be delivered.

List of BIOS versions that support SKY OC:

Model BIOS Model BIOS
Z170 OC Formula L1.92 Z170M Pro4 L2.23
Z170 Extreme7+ L2.16 Z170M Pro4S L2.23
Z170 Extreme6+ L1.82 Z170M-ITX/ac L1.83
Z170 Extreme6 L1.82 Z170A-X1/3.1 L1.31
Z170 Extreme4+ L2.01 Z170 Professional Gaming i7 L1.14
Z170 Extreme4 L2.43 Z170 Gaming K6+ L1.92
Z170 Extreme3 L1.61 Z170 Gaming K6 L1.92
Z170M Extreme4 L1.34 Z170 Gaming K4 L2.23
Z170 Pro4 L2.83 Z170 Gaming K4/D3 L1.51
Z170 Pro4/D3 L1.74 Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac L1.53
Z170 Pro4S L2.73

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post #95 of 340
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Originally Posted by mouacyk View Post

You presume to know how the board manufactures (and Intel) are locking down the feature, such that you can unlock it with any new BIOS. Is it simply a microcode update and not possibly some other BIOS shenanigan edit that is undecipherable?

1. Didn't they say "CPU MicroCode update"? If such IS the case, then it can be flashed separately or at least it did for Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Haswell, Haswell Refresh, and Skylake so far.. If its something else in BIOS, then maybe not.

2. In the past, certain Non-K vs. K OC features, like Turbo Non-K modes, were disabled specifically through CPU MicroCode updates. Not many people are going to bother with UBU. You also have to have a motherboard with forceful BIOS Flashback feature that let's you flash your PC while it is powered down because UBU will not work through Windows or through BIOS since its unofficial update. Usually Non-K CPU buyers go for lower-end motherboard that do not come with such a feature, although it did become more common. Out of those few with those features, few will even learn of UBU's existence, let alone have the guts to perform the update!

3. Besides, when it comes to BIOS, a very common advice is "If it ain't broke, then don't fix it". If you're having problems with your rig, BIOS isn't the likely cause of those problems. There are some specifics that may malfunction due to BIOS, such as compatibility with Prime95, which I think affected certain CPU MicroCode in Sandy Bridge units, or possibly DRAM compatibility. Aside from that, if your games or program or OS freeze / crash or do weird things, BIOS would have a low probability of being the cause, even though BIOS updating is advised in such cases because its easy and excludes BIOS as being the problem. In conclusion "If your Skylake system with Non-K CPU and Non-K CPU MicroCode works fine, then don't bother with flashing". Besides, there are so many BIOS updates that simply update Intel MEI, Intel RST, Intel GOP, Intel LAN, ASMedia or whichever other devices and almost all of them can be updated separately with UBU without any need for a new BIOS.

In conclusion: It is very likely that those with Non-K CPU's and appropriate motherboards will find a stable solution for overclocking their CPU's using "Sky OC" (different name for each manufacturer) if they research, most likely finding information about UBU.

I just hope UBU developer isn't going to get some "Cease and Desist" Letter from Intel or decide to NOT include the banned MicroCode, but it isn't likely as he included older semi-banned MicroCodes for earlier Non-K CPU's (Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Haswell).
Edited by MonarchX - 2/4/16 at 3:04pm
post #96 of 340
Bah! I just looked up more info on Non-K OC and it appears it is done exlusively through BCLK increase! Isn't that more of a motherboard device than a CPU device? I think its incredibly unfair!
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Just buy the "K" part, SUCCESS...

Remember when you could always overclock locked multiplier parts? Like it was standard or something? *gasp* Then Intel introduced the K series and locked everything else out and now users seem to have completely forgotten Intel has been screwing them these past 5 years. Now think back to when Intel said it would only charge a $10 premium for unlocked chips, and now it is up to $85 premium.
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Originally Posted by dir_d View Post

Time for me to find this OC bios and hold on to it till i finish my wife's build.


lol but...... pre patch skylake has a bug

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/intel-skylake-bug-causes-pcs-to-freeze-during-complex-workloads/

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Originally Posted by Dmitriy View Post

Am I the only one who doesn't see an issue here? You have bought a CPU that is not advertised as overclockable, how exactly do you get upset when you can't overclock it?

to me i stopped caring about OC along time ago. i was only mildly interested because of non K OC.

i absolutely hated the idea of K cpus and locked bclk. totally sucks of the fun out of OC. I also hated the fact that the K series is gimped on instructions that i consider useful to me compared to non K.

ether way skylake was never on my buy list unless some killer ITX board or case comes out, hated its very essence of not being able to natively install win7


FYI intel has in the past allowed limited non K OC (ivy/sandy bridge) and im happy with that. give me 4 bins above turbo clocks and im a happy chap.
post #99 of 340
No Xeon support, and dropping bclk OC'ing makes this platform yet another side grade rather than a full upgrade. I was hoping for a true X58 successor but I guess we won't see that for a few more years.
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Was so close to pulling the trigger on buying a i5-6400 and going for glory biggrin.gif Read that the latest bios on the Asus motherboards has removed this already... kind of sucks as this got me interested in building a system.. now I have everything picked out i'll probably just go ahead and shell out a little more for the K chip. Really isn't much more $, but feel for people that bought cpu's based on this.. Guess you can hold onto the old bios's and never update biggrin.gif
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