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For those of you that built your own computers, how long (or how many computers) did it take until you felt that proper cable management was needed?
I've seen alot of this...








Granted a lot of the computers are trying to be sold below 600$, but some of them do ask for over $1,000 with cabling like this.
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It wasn't until computers started generating a lot of relative heat that I really started getting cable management under control. Only then was it really important (for me anyway) to get those cables out of the way and allow for better airflow in the case.

Now I started with a comodor 64 as my first computer and went up from there. So my first PC's had 386's and the like. I remember the cooler on my 286 was about the size of a passive Southbridge heatsink and didn't require a fan. But as you move through time to things like the Athlon x2, things started to heat up. That's when making things tidy inside started making a difference.

After that it started becoming more of an aesthetic pleasure for me. If you see the history of my sig rig (The Water Ninja), over time the insides became more tidy with each rendition.

As for price when it comes to cabling, that really shouldn't factor in. Cabling is easy enough to fix and doesn't make the parts in a computer more or less expensive.
Edited by WizardontheJob - 2/4/16 at 8:33am
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post #3 of 11
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Originally Posted by WizardontheJob View Post

It wasn't until computers started generating a lot of relative heat that I really started getting cable management under control. Only then was it really important (for me anyway) to get those cables out of the way and allow for better airflow in the case.

Now I started with a comodor 64 as my first computer and went up from there. So my first PC's had 386's and the like. I remember the cooler on my 286 was about the size of a passive Southbridge heatsink and didn't require a fan. But as you move through time to things like the Athlon x2, things started to heat up. That's when making things tidy inside started making a difference.

After that it started becoming more of an aesthetic pleasure for me. If you see the history of my sig rig (The Water Ninja), over time the insides became more tidy with each rendition.

As for price when it comes to cabling, that really shouldn't factor in. Cabling is easy enough to fix and doesn't make the parts in a computer more or less expensive.
Would you not choose a computer that was managed properly, dusted out and by what you can see taken care of properlly?
The last part I was saying more of how the lower end builds had this problem, but some builds as you go up the line do as well.
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post #4 of 11
I maybe left it about a week after the initial build to test everything through regular use, YouTube, Internet, gaming and some synthetics. Worst thing you want is to tidy it all up and then realize the cable may be bad or got to troubleshoot something lol
    
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When I started building PCs professionally in 1988, we took a lot of pride in cable management even back then. PCs were mostly desktop cases (not "mini-tower" cases as they are now) and there were a lot of wide ribbon cables in them for FDD, HDD, Serial/Parallel/Game ports, etc. We tried to keep the expansion card area clear, and power and signal cables neatly folded and secured with trimmed wire ties and adhesive anchors. A lot of the computer show vendors at the time would just slap the parts together and call it done - we actually kept the side off ours and let the customer see that we took our time and did the job right. Some buyers cared, some didn't.

Honestly, cable management isn't that it that important to me for my own personal PCs. Power cables are usually all over the place, although I do try to keep my SATA and audio cables orderly and without any tight bends to keep S/N ratios down.

It's mostly a visual thing -- I doubt there's more than a few degrees C difference in temperature between a properly managed and sloppy install job these das.

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Originally Posted by Skye12977 View Post

Would you not choose a computer that was managed properly, dusted out and by what you can see taken care of properlly?

Sure, given two identically spec'd computers, I'd go for the one that was in cleaner shape. But specs make all the difference. I couldn't care less if the cables are a mess as long as none of the equipment is damaged. Dust can be a factor, but only when it clogs up heat sinks to the point that they loose effectiveness. Even then it's only a real problem if components reach or ride close to thermal limits. EVEN THEN, most equipment will shut off before failing.

As for the pictures above, I don't see anything that jumps out as something I would think twice about when picking from them. That's not to say you wont entice someone else to spend more by cleaning up the cables and blowing out the cob-webs, just not me.
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post #7 of 11
Well, I think cable management goes along with good heatsinks and thermal paste and to keep the computer clean with no dust

cable management can do at least 2 or 3 degrees difference in temp, so is nothing that important actually, but if you add a good heatsink with a good thermal paste you can end up with a reelly good temp drop, that can get you a high overclock, after all this is what are we all looking for in this forum, otherwise is no need
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post #8 of 11
I'd say in 2009, when I built my first true custom PC, was my first cable management wake-up call while I was perusing threads for hardware ideas. My first couple cases were too big for the non-modular PSU I had at the time (HAF 932) or the case had terrible cable management in general (Antec Three Hundred). The HAF 932 I worked with and eventually got a modular power supply which helped. The Antec was always difficult to keep tidy so I eventually got the Corsair 600t which I currently use today.

Before then I used Dell cases that I chopped up to upgrade them for use with aftermarket PSUs, added fans, GPUs, and make-shift HDD cages. The cable management in these were non-existent because I didn't know any better at the time/ Dell didn't do a whole lot to make it apparent that cable management was important to them. If it worked, it was good enough for me.

These days I can't stand bad cable management. Mine could be better, but there's a big difference between non-existent and working with what you got.
Edited by bajer29 - 2/4/16 at 10:57am
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post #9 of 11
I've been at this pretty much forever, years before I joined this site, and if my temps are fine and the cables aren't poking into fans, I cba what it looks like.
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