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So i've decided to build yet another PC as I get bored of my current builds after a year or 2. This time i really want to get the most bang for my buck, so I decided I want to do a bit more research rather than just build 2nd or 3rd best options to save some money.

So with that said, my main usage right now is gaming in my spare time. I tend to go hard with the games I play, so I want to build a fast, quiet, cool system that will endure hours on end when needed. I'll go ahead and list the items that i've spec'd out so far that I plan on buying this year and definitely am looking for a yay or nay on hardware choices based on historical pros and cons or simply compatibility.

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 8M Skylake Quad-Core 4.0 GHz LGA 1151 91W BX80662I76700K Desktop Processor Intel® HD Graphics 530

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559

Mobo: ASRock Z170 OC Formula LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157649

Mem: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3400 (PC4 27200) Intel Z170 Platform Desktop Memory Model F4-3400C16Q-64GVR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232265

Both Boot and Gaming/install drives

Boot: SAMSUNG 950 PRO M.2 256GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V5P256BW

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147466

Install: SAMSUNG 950 PRO M.2 512GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V5P512BW

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4P03H20193

Now, as far as the M.2 drives, I really need a little more guidance from a pro in regards to setup. I know that these slots share pcie lanes and you really need to pick the right mobo to utilize these and not hinder the performance of your videocard. Right now I have one Sapphire Nitro 390 card and was thinking about picking up another one and calling it a day. I know people are both for and against crossfire/sli setups, so if there is a future card coming out that I should just hold out for, my 390 is plenty fast atm. I just want to make sure again, that i'm future proof for the next 4-5 years.

Case: Right now I have a Fractal R4 w/ window that i'm happy with, but I'm thinking of a case with even more airflow that is as simple as this one. I really hate flashy cashes and the R4 is perfect in regards to the look that I want. The only other case that I'm looking at would be:

Fractal Design Define S with Window Side Panel Silent Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352055&cm_re=fractal_define_s-_-11-352-055-_-Product

Audio: This is the one i'm really struggling with. Overall, i'm looking for the soundcard that is going to give me the best fps experience possible. By FPS, I can say both acronyms apply. The one that's going to steal the least amount of resources from my computer as well as give me an edge in FPS type games. I like to use both headphones and speakers when I game. I could be playing Armored Warfare or any variety of FPS games at any point.

CPU Cooling: I'm really wanting to get more involved in the water cooling components, but after buying my first corsair 80I cooler and stripping the mounting points after 2 installs, I just have it sitting in my closes (2 years now) and haven't touched one since. Any suggestions in regards to the prefab coolers? I don't want to build a custom one.

PSU: ?

So that is about all i have for now that I can think of. My current build is an i7 4770k build. 8gb ram, Sapphire Nitro 390, various SSD drives, Fractal R4. I plan on throwing all my leftover parts into a Fractal Node 605 for my next HTPC build and calling it a day.
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I would suggest going with the X99 platform and the 5960X, or 5930K if you want to save a little money.

Those processors are 40 lane chips, so you'll have no issues with M.2 lanes.

The 5960X is a freaking beast and upgrading won't be a concern for years to come. The 5960X's power also benefits in the "quiet" category because it can be left at stock frequencies while still dominating benchmarks and gaming (no need for OC = lower heat = no need for 10000000000 CFM of air). The 5930K is a very powerful chip, but I can see an itch for upgrading in the few years (because I am a performance nutjob).

For these processors, I would suggest picking up a Corsair closed loop water cooler. Even a simple H80 would work wonderfully.

As for motherboards... The full ATX and extended ATX boards seem to have some issues. If you don't plan on jumping up to anything more than 2 gpu's, then I'd suggest the Asus X99 WS mATX. It has every feature a mobo has to offer. You can run the PCIE in x16/x16/x8. There isn't a need to jump up 3-way unless you're doing some major crunching.

Here is the link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132584&cm_re=asus_x99_matx_ws-_-13-132-584-_-Product

I would also cut the 64 gigs of RAM out of that list too. There is absolutely no benefit for a gamer with that much RAM. 16 is a perfect amount and will never bog your system down. 32 gig kits are ok if you feel the need for MOAR!!!!!!!! RAM. I'd also suggest a 3000/3200MHz kit as well. The price jump to 3400 is unwarranted. With G.Skill, you can easily OC a 3000 kit to 3200+. You won't even notice a difference in performance of the 3000 vs 3400. Just make sure the kit you get is a complete package of quad channel. I advise against buying two dual channel kits as they are not matched during binning. Quad channel kits are selected right out of the clean room to be a match for each other.

But, if you want 4-5 years future proofing, go with the 5960X and a 32 gig kit of 3200MHz. Oh, and only buy G.Skill. They are literally the best RAM manufacturers in the world.



The reason I'm suggesting the X99 is because the Z170 flagship CPU's simply cannot compete with the hex core 5930K and the octo core 5960X. No future releases of Skylake will ever compete the the power that the X99 chips have to offer. And, if Intel plans to keep the next group of extreme processors in 2011-V3, then you're set for even more years (they have a tendency to do this).
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PSU wattage depens on which CPU you get and if you are going to overclock or not and which video card and how many.
So wattage could be anywhere from 500 to 1000 watts depending on which of the above.

As for which one the EVGA SuperNova G2 and the Corsair RMx gives you the best bang for buck.
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As for which one the EVGA SuperNova G2 and the Corsair RMx gives you the best bang for buck.

Yup yup. I really like the quality of Silverstone and SeaSonic gold/platinum series.

If you're planning on staying with a single GPU, the an 800W supply would be perfect. For 2 way SLI/Crossfire, then you will want something 1000+. And always buy a gold or platinum.

I run a 4820k @1.385V 4.8GHz, a Gigabyte G1 GTX 970, and a Swiftech MCP655 pump on a Corsair TX - 750W with no issues.
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Yup yup. I really like the quality of Silverstone and SeaSonic gold/platinum series.

If you're planning on staying with a single GPU, the an 800W supply would be perfect. For 2 way SLI/Crossfire, then you will want something 1000+. And always buy a gold or platinum.

I run a 4820k @1.385V 4.8GHz, a Gigabyte G1 GTX 970, and a Swiftech MCP655 pump on a Corsair TX - 750W with no issues.
Those wattage numbers are way overkill and you dont need anywhere near that much unless you have crazy overclocks and BIOS volt mods on everything.
As for SilverStone all of their stuff is a bit average and Seasonic while good is way overpriced.

A good 500 watt PSU can power mosts system with a single video card.
And no i did not say all systems i said most systems as there are exceptions.

Last 80 plus has nothing to do with quality! its pretty much irrelevant as its a efficiency rating system it has nothing to do with quality in any way what so ever.
Why 80 PLUS® is Irrelevant to You When Buying a PSU

There are lots of junk out there that is 80 plus gold rated or even platinum rated so thats pseudo advice.

Edit: and no stay away from CLC coolers they are not worth it and should be avoided at all costs.
Edited by shilka - 2/4/16 at 11:45am
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It's not pseudo advice.

I have a degree in electronics engineering. Gold and platinum efficiency ratings show the quality of components used. The filters used in these supplies efficiently rectify AC and produce DC with extremely low ripple voltage. As for the 5 year old article you posted... Is this guy an engineer? Or is it some guy in his moms basement? Do you even know how power efficiency works in electronics? With ideal physics in mind, power is never created nor destroyed. The power (power is factor of voltage x current or resistance x current^2) you draw is the power you use, and then is completely returned to the power company. However, we do not live in an ideal world. Power dissipation occurs when current is passed through a resistive load, which generates heat. Your entire PSU is a resistive load. Thus, power in does not equal power out. An efficiency rating is given to power supplies to determine what percentage of the supplied power is dropped through dissipation and not returned to the source. From this, it is easy to understand why a high rating is better. To reduce the loss of power, highly tuned filtering and rectifying circuits along with stringent power management, are used. This means the higher the rating, the high the quality.

As for the 800W suggestion, you never know when you're going to need the extra power. It's future proofing. The price jump between 500W and 800W is marginal at best. Even if you only 500W out of an 800W PSU, you're NOT using 800W. The power supply will only deliver what is demanded.

If you buy from a quality vendor, then you receive a quality product. I've had Seasonic and Silverstone supplies along with Corsair and Thermaltake. I've torn apart PSU's from every brand out there, and the build quality I've seen inside those brands has been exceptional (except a few TT supplies).
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I would suggest going with the X99 platform and the 5960X, or 5930K if you want to save a little money.

Those processors are 40 lane chips, so you'll have no issues with M.2 lanes.

The 5960X is a freaking beast and upgrading won't be a concern for years to come. The 5960X's power also benefits in the "quiet" category because it can be left at stock frequencies while still dominating benchmarks and gaming (no need for OC = lower heat = no need for 10000000000 CFM of air). The 5930K is a very powerful chip, but I can see an itch for upgrading in the few years (because I am a performance nutjob).

For these processors, I would suggest picking up a Corsair closed loop water cooler. Even a simple H80 would work wonderfully.

As for motherboards... The full ATX and extended ATX boards seem to have some issues. If you don't plan on jumping up to anything more than 2 gpu's, then I'd suggest the Asus X99 WS mATX. It has every feature a mobo has to offer. You can run the PCIE in x16/x16/x8. There isn't a need to jump up 3-way unless you're doing some major crunching.

Here is the link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132584&cm_re=asus_x99_matx_ws-_-13-132-584-_-Product

I would also cut the 64 gigs of RAM out of that list too. There is absolutely no benefit for a gamer with that much RAM. 16 is a perfect amount and will never bog your system down. 32 gig kits are ok if you feel the need for MOAR!!!!!!!! RAM. I'd also suggest a 3000/3200MHz kit as well. The price jump to 3400 is unwarranted. With G.Skill, you can easily OC a 3000 kit to 3200+. You won't even notice a difference in performance of the 3000 vs 3400. Just make sure the kit you get is a complete package of quad channel. I advise against buying two dual channel kits as they are not matched during binning. Quad channel kits are selected right out of the clean room to be a match for each other.

But, if you want 4-5 years future proofing, go with the 5960X and a 32 gig kit of 3200MHz. Oh, and only buy G.Skill. They are literally the best RAM manufacturers in the world.



The reason I'm suggesting the X99 is because the Z170 flagship CPU's simply cannot compete with the hex core 5930K and the octo core 5960X. No future releases of Skylake will ever compete the the power that the X99 chips have to offer. And, if Intel plans to keep the next group of extreme processors in 2011-V3, then you're set for even more years (they have a tendency to do this).


So i did a bit of researching on both the 5960x and the 5820k. Based on both the numbers outputted in gaming benchmarks, my 4770k is still pretty relevant. As i don't do anything graphical other than gaming, I'm at the point where I think i'm fine with my current build minus just adding/upgrading a few components that will make me happy.

Unless i'm overlooking the overall picture?
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The overall picture is future proofing. Your 4770k is still a viable chip for having today, and should be for a couple more years, but the X99 lifespan is exponentially longer. If you go with the 5820k to save a few bucks, then in a few years you can still upgrade. With the 4770k, you're at the limit already. And the 1150 socket is limited to 16 PCIE lanes, while the X99 is at 40 (5820k has 28).

Honestly, I'd stick with the 4770k, save up some money until you can dump the $1100 on the 5960X.
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The overall picture is future proofing. Your 4770k is still a viable chip for having today, and should be for a couple more years, but the X99 lifespan is exponentially longer. If you go with the 5820k to save a few bucks, then in a few years you can still upgrade. With the 4770k, you're at the limit already. And the 1150 socket is limited to 16 PCIE lanes, while the X99 is at 40 (5820k has 28).

Honestly, I'd stick with the 4770k, save up some money until you can dump the $1100 on the 5960X.

In all honesty, that's what I was thinking about doing. I have a few components that i sacrificed and went with the cheaper brand in order to do my build. For instance, my 1,000 watt Rosewill psu. Granted, It has done a fabulous job so far and I haven't had any issues running my system (knocks on wood), but I would definitely have a better piece of mind with a nice solid, corsair, seasonic or evga psu.

I just picked up a new SB Z card as I was still running an old Titanium (Non HD). I actually did this because I started having popping/stuttering issues in windows 10 and tried the various fixes I read about and nothing worked. Installed the Z card and everything was fine initially, but after a day or so, I noticed the popping started coming back some. So last night i did a fresh install of windows 10 vs the upgrade from windows 7 that MS initially did. So far, so good.

I think i'm going to pick up a second Sapphire 390, a Fractal Design Node 605 and a couple Samsung 850 evo's and call it a day. Once i'm ready to build a new system, i'll just move this whole system into the living room and utilize it as an HTPC.
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