Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › Any point of going custom these days?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Any point of going custom these days?

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
I'm trying to weigh in my pros and cons.

My old build was fully custom wc. But these days I can see that you can get good results with premade
http://www.overclock.net/t/1570313/skylake-overclocking-guide-with-statistics/5510#

My look right now after seeing that thread above regarding this is that if you plan on adding blocks to something else other than the cpu, custom is the way, otherwise premade has more benefits (easier, cheaper and less maintenance).

What do you guys think?

I was thinking of just getting the H110i gtx and just switching the fans to gentle typhoons

as for custom my plans (not solidified) were:

EK-XRES 140 DDC /w pump
ek cpu block
gpu block (undecided)

The only thing I would save money is on fittings as I still have enough from my old build.

So in conclusion, do you guys think that it's just better going with the pre-made overall, if you just want a cpu block? but decent to good oc
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 6700k Asus Z170 Premium EVGA GTX 1080 ACX 3.0 FTW Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB Seagate 3TB 7200 Corsair H110i GTX Windows 10 Enterprise 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Catleap Q270 G115 EVGA 750B2 Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ATX 
Mouse Pad
Steelseries 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 6700k Asus Z170 Premium EVGA GTX 1080 ACX 3.0 FTW Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB Seagate 3TB 7200 Corsair H110i GTX Windows 10 Enterprise 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Catleap Q270 G115 EVGA 750B2 Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ATX 
Mouse Pad
Steelseries 
  hide details  
Reply
post #2 of 13
  1. Aesthetics. ZERO (none, nada, nunca, nothing) CLC coolers come CLOSE to the aesthetic appeal of a custom loop.
  2. Performance. You can get more performance from a custom loop than anything else, even the AIO coolers from Swiftech. Not dog'n the Swiftech coolers, they are in a league of their own.
  3. Decibels. Nothing is as quiet as a properly fitted custom loop.
  4. Expandability. While some of the AIO's like Swiftech and EK are expandable, there comes a point at which you are simply better off with full custom.


If you want to watercool for performance, would like a little bit of expandability, but don't want to spend an arm and a leg, check out the Swiftech and EK All-In-Ones. But for the love of Pete, stay away from those garbage close loop coolers from Corsair and the like. They are loud and don't perform well. If cool and quiet are your game and you have the space, just get a Noctua D-15 instead of the H110i. It's quieter, performs better and is less expensive.
Jarvis
(26 items)
 
Pepto Pony
(12 items)
 
MrDVR
(15 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.8Ghz CROSSHAIR V FORMULA-Z MSI GTX 980 Gaming 4g 16Gb G. Skill Ripjaws 4x4 @ 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 840 PRO 128Gb SSD Intel 160 Gb SSD Intel 250 Gb SSD Generic DVD-RW 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2 x Noctua (NF-P12-1300 )1300rpm Premium Silent... Alphacool NexXxos UT60 Full Copper Radiator 240 Noctua NF-A6X25 FLX Quiet Computer Cooling Fan ... NZXT Sentry Mesh Fan Controller w/ Five 30 watt... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2 x Corsair Air Series SP120   COUGAR CF-V12H Vortex Hydro-Dynamic-Bearing  Monsoon 90° Rotary Angle Fitting - 5/8" - Red Bitspower Dual / Single D5 Top Upgrade Kit 100 ... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
ModMyToys DreamFlex Premium 3/8" ID Tubing Reta... Coolance Liquid Coolant Bottle, 700mL Fluoresce... Coolance PMP 450 Variable Speed D5 Pump Bitspower D5 Mod Top V2 Pom version 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Samsung KS8000 4k UHD 65" Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5000 Keyboard and Mouse SeaSonic M12II 750 
CaseAudio
My TV Stand Cabinet Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-4300 Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 EVGA Geforce GTX 260 G.Skill Ripjaws X 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair SSD Samsung 7200 Laptop drive Some DVD Burner I took out of a dead Dell. Noctua NH-C12P SE14 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell 19" 16:9 Logitec wireless Enermax 650w Apevia X-Cruiser3 Pink 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A6-6400K Dual Core MSI A78M-E35 Onboard 4Gb G.Skill Ripjaws 1600Mhz (2 x 2) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Intel 320 SSD Western Digital 2.5" 1Tb 7200rpm  LG External Blue-ray Combo Drive Noctual NH-L9a 92mm SS02 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit Toshiba Regza 52" 1080p Logitech K400 Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D 
CaseAudioOther
A piece of plywood and some zip ties. Onboard Hauppauge WinTV HVR-2250 dual tuner card. 
  hide details  
Reply
Jarvis
(26 items)
 
Pepto Pony
(12 items)
 
MrDVR
(15 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.8Ghz CROSSHAIR V FORMULA-Z MSI GTX 980 Gaming 4g 16Gb G. Skill Ripjaws 4x4 @ 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 840 PRO 128Gb SSD Intel 160 Gb SSD Intel 250 Gb SSD Generic DVD-RW 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2 x Noctua (NF-P12-1300 )1300rpm Premium Silent... Alphacool NexXxos UT60 Full Copper Radiator 240 Noctua NF-A6X25 FLX Quiet Computer Cooling Fan ... NZXT Sentry Mesh Fan Controller w/ Five 30 watt... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2 x Corsair Air Series SP120   COUGAR CF-V12H Vortex Hydro-Dynamic-Bearing  Monsoon 90° Rotary Angle Fitting - 5/8" - Red Bitspower Dual / Single D5 Top Upgrade Kit 100 ... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
ModMyToys DreamFlex Premium 3/8" ID Tubing Reta... Coolance Liquid Coolant Bottle, 700mL Fluoresce... Coolance PMP 450 Variable Speed D5 Pump Bitspower D5 Mod Top V2 Pom version 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Samsung KS8000 4k UHD 65" Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5000 Keyboard and Mouse SeaSonic M12II 750 
CaseAudio
My TV Stand Cabinet Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-4300 Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 EVGA Geforce GTX 260 G.Skill Ripjaws X 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair SSD Samsung 7200 Laptop drive Some DVD Burner I took out of a dead Dell. Noctua NH-C12P SE14 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell 19" 16:9 Logitec wireless Enermax 650w Apevia X-Cruiser3 Pink 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A6-6400K Dual Core MSI A78M-E35 Onboard 4Gb G.Skill Ripjaws 1600Mhz (2 x 2) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Intel 320 SSD Western Digital 2.5" 1Tb 7200rpm  LG External Blue-ray Combo Drive Noctual NH-L9a 92mm SS02 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit Toshiba Regza 52" 1080p Logitech K400 Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D 
CaseAudioOther
A piece of plywood and some zip ties. Onboard Hauppauge WinTV HVR-2250 dual tuner card. 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 13
IMHO, watercooling is only a good idea if you're into it for its own sake. Custom wc is an adventure all its own, and a passion all its own, but it's not simple, and it's not cheap. If what you're really looking for is overclocking performance, there are easier & cheaper options (AIOs & high-end air coolers perform quite well these days). If what you're looking for is an adventure into a whole other league of pc enthusiasts, though, then welcome to the wonderful world of watercooling. smile.gif
post #4 of 13
AIO's aren't going to give you better temps than a custom loop, as a matter of fact most really good air coolers will give you better temps. AIO's are also disposable, so once their dead, which can happen as soon as a year for a 24/7 PC, then your out that money and you go buy a new one again. Custom loops are upgradable and expandable, and if one part fails it is much cheaper to replace than the entire unit. AIO's have their place for a quick and easy way to get on water, but as mentioned, for the same cost you can get a Swiftech unit that is expandable, or a reputable kit.

The trade off is in proper planning and setup, installation time, maintenance, and of course cost. Kits can be relatively inexpensive and get you going and then you can upgrade as you go along, but there is generally a higher cost to get a custom loop up and running. Custom loops are also not "set it and forget it" cooling solutions, you WILL have to maintain them and change things out from time to time. Changing hardware is not a 10 minute job either because of draining and filling, etc., if you change hardware a lot, you don't want a custom loop. Custom loops also offer other benefits like awesome ascetics, they can be show stoppers, and give your epeen some much needed buff, but It is very much an enthusiast "thang".

If your an enthusiast and don't mind the extra work and cost then go for a custom loop, but if your just looking for the best cooling per dollar, imo you should just stick to a really good air cooler.
 
Spare Parts
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
intel i5 750 Lynnfield Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 ASUS Strix GTX 960 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin... 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Crucial BX100 SSD 500GB EKWB EK-KIT L120 Corsair SP120 Koolance 2x140mm Radiator HX-CU1402V 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Corsair AF140 Bitspower VG-NGTX960 Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit Samsung Curved 27" S27D590C 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Strafe RGB Apevia Iceburg 680 watts Apevia X-Sniper 2 EVGA Torq X3 Laser 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom 9750 ASUS M3A78-CM PNY XLR8 GTX 460 Corsair XMS2 (4 x 1GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingPower
Hitachi 5K500 Silenx 92mm EFFIZIO Corsair SP 120 Red LED Antec 500watt 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-6400 Skylake ASRock A170A-X1/3.1 Gigabye G1 Gaming GTX 970 Windforce CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin DD... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Bykski CPU-XPR-A High Performance Acrylic Nicke... EKWB Acrylic Nickel GPU Block Monsoon MMRS Reservoir Bykski BY-PUMP-XPH-PA Water Cooling Pump 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Koolance 240 30 FPI Radiator Magicool 280 14 FPI Radiator Bitfenix Spectre PWM 120mm Fan ML140 140mm PWM Premium Magnetic Levitation Fan 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro Corsair RM Series 850 Thermaltake Suppressor F31 
  hide details  
Reply
 
Spare Parts
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
intel i5 750 Lynnfield Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 ASUS Strix GTX 960 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin... 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Crucial BX100 SSD 500GB EKWB EK-KIT L120 Corsair SP120 Koolance 2x140mm Radiator HX-CU1402V 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Corsair AF140 Bitspower VG-NGTX960 Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit Samsung Curved 27" S27D590C 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Strafe RGB Apevia Iceburg 680 watts Apevia X-Sniper 2 EVGA Torq X3 Laser 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom 9750 ASUS M3A78-CM PNY XLR8 GTX 460 Corsair XMS2 (4 x 1GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingPower
Hitachi 5K500 Silenx 92mm EFFIZIO Corsair SP 120 Red LED Antec 500watt 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-6400 Skylake ASRock A170A-X1/3.1 Gigabye G1 Gaming GTX 970 Windforce CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin DD... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Bykski CPU-XPR-A High Performance Acrylic Nicke... EKWB Acrylic Nickel GPU Block Monsoon MMRS Reservoir Bykski BY-PUMP-XPH-PA Water Cooling Pump 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Koolance 240 30 FPI Radiator Magicool 280 14 FPI Radiator Bitfenix Spectre PWM 120mm Fan ML140 140mm PWM Premium Magnetic Levitation Fan 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro Corsair RM Series 850 Thermaltake Suppressor F31 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5 of 13
What are you even talking about, when AIO dies in a year you have to buy a new one, seriously ? Ever heard of warranties ? Some AIO-s even have 5 years these days so there-s that, and not better temp then air? What are we smoking again rolleyes.gif
I`d like to see you get better temps on air over AIO on your GPU thumb.gif

AIO are perfect solutions these days, slap one on your GPU slap one on your CPU, they are cheap they last, they are silent, and cool well, plus case looks clean when you have AIO-s instead of air coolers, custom loops are pretty expensive, and you dont really gain much, other than really just doing it for the sake of doing it.
Edited by outofmyheadyo - 2/5/16 at 1:14pm
post #6 of 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by outofmyheadyo View Post

What are you even talking about, when AIO dies in a year you have to buy a new one, seriously ? Ever heard of warranties ? Some AIO-s even have 5 years these days so there-s that, and not better temp then air? What are we smoking again rolleyes.gif
I`d like to see you get better temps on air over AIO on your GPU thumb.gif

AIO are perfect solutions these days, slap one on your GPU slap one on your CPU, they are cheap they last, they are silent, and cool well, plus case looks clean when you have AIO-s instead of air coolers, custom loops are pretty expensive, and you dont really gain much, other than really just doing it for the sake of doing it.

I see why you chose your name. So what do you do during the 3 month downtime waiting for RMA to go through on your dead AIO...
 
Spare Parts
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
intel i5 750 Lynnfield Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 ASUS Strix GTX 960 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin... 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Crucial BX100 SSD 500GB EKWB EK-KIT L120 Corsair SP120 Koolance 2x140mm Radiator HX-CU1402V 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Corsair AF140 Bitspower VG-NGTX960 Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit Samsung Curved 27" S27D590C 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Strafe RGB Apevia Iceburg 680 watts Apevia X-Sniper 2 EVGA Torq X3 Laser 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom 9750 ASUS M3A78-CM PNY XLR8 GTX 460 Corsair XMS2 (4 x 1GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingPower
Hitachi 5K500 Silenx 92mm EFFIZIO Corsair SP 120 Red LED Antec 500watt 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-6400 Skylake ASRock A170A-X1/3.1 Gigabye G1 Gaming GTX 970 Windforce CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin DD... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Bykski CPU-XPR-A High Performance Acrylic Nicke... EKWB Acrylic Nickel GPU Block Monsoon MMRS Reservoir Bykski BY-PUMP-XPH-PA Water Cooling Pump 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Koolance 240 30 FPI Radiator Magicool 280 14 FPI Radiator Bitfenix Spectre PWM 120mm Fan ML140 140mm PWM Premium Magnetic Levitation Fan 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro Corsair RM Series 850 Thermaltake Suppressor F31 
  hide details  
Reply
 
Spare Parts
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
intel i5 750 Lynnfield Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 ASUS Strix GTX 960 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin... 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Crucial BX100 SSD 500GB EKWB EK-KIT L120 Corsair SP120 Koolance 2x140mm Radiator HX-CU1402V 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Corsair AF140 Bitspower VG-NGTX960 Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit Samsung Curved 27" S27D590C 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Strafe RGB Apevia Iceburg 680 watts Apevia X-Sniper 2 EVGA Torq X3 Laser 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom 9750 ASUS M3A78-CM PNY XLR8 GTX 460 Corsair XMS2 (4 x 1GB) 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingPower
Hitachi 5K500 Silenx 92mm EFFIZIO Corsair SP 120 Red LED Antec 500watt 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-6400 Skylake ASRock A170A-X1/3.1 Gigabye G1 Gaming GTX 970 Windforce CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin DD... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Bykski CPU-XPR-A High Performance Acrylic Nicke... EKWB Acrylic Nickel GPU Block Monsoon MMRS Reservoir Bykski BY-PUMP-XPH-PA Water Cooling Pump 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Koolance 240 30 FPI Radiator Magicool 280 14 FPI Radiator Bitfenix Spectre PWM 120mm Fan ML140 140mm PWM Premium Magnetic Levitation Fan 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro Corsair RM Series 850 Thermaltake Suppressor F31 
  hide details  
Reply
post #7 of 13
Maybe buy a evo212 or somethinng cheap and effective until you wait, not hard now is it.
post #8 of 13
Honestly, having done the whole custom loop thing and now currently sitting with an AIO, I know for my next build that I will most likely just go fully air cooled.

-Custom loop was really fun, looked amazing, and had epic performance/noise ratio. But it was very expensive, and swapping out components for upgrades was a massive pain.
-AIO looks pretty nice, is reasonably quiet, but doesn't really have amazing performance. While swapping out parts is a lot easier, an AIO still isn't exactly cheap. I think an AIO could still make sense on a gpu though, they really benefit from liquid cooling.
post #9 of 13
For simplicity you cant beat air cooling but it comes at the disadvantage of having that hot air dumped right into your case.

For Value AIO is the sweet spot, Moves that heat away from the chip and dumps it straight out of the case not heating up anything else. It just comes with the disadvantage of usually needing to upgrade the noisy fans they come with and needing the room to mount the radiator. If it doesnt have issues from first power on (airlocks) then you wont ever have a issue with it. Iv got 2 antec 620 still running that I picked up back in 2011. 1 on a CPU and 1 on a GPU in the wife's computer.

Custom loop will always be the king of cooling for daily use, But it has massive disadvantage of buy in price and making it harder to change parts, Then eventually maintenance.
Only way Id ever go with my personal computer.
post #10 of 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by outofmyheadyo View Post

What are you even talking about, when AIO dies in a year you have to buy a new one, seriously ? Ever heard of warranties ? Some AIO-s even have 5 years these days so there-s that, and not better temp then air? What are we smoking again rolleyes.gif
I`d like to see you get better temps on air over AIO on your GPU thumb.gif

AIO are perfect solutions these days, slap one on your GPU slap one on your CPU, they are cheap they last, they are silent, and cool well, plus case looks clean when you have AIO-s instead of air coolers, custom loops are pretty expensive, and you dont really gain much, other than really just doing it for the sake of doing it.

bull post.
aio arent cheap or high performance or quiet. air is better, period.
w00t
(18 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
ph2 x20be asus m4a785-m sapphire vapor-x 4850  geil black dragon 1066 5-5-5-15-20 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
wd  asus dvd multi-write arctic cooling freezer 64 pro win 7 ultimate x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
samsung 42" lcd logitech wireless antec basic 500watt old dell crap 
MouseAudio
logitech wireless pioneer 7.1 
  hide details  
Reply
w00t
(18 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
ph2 x20be asus m4a785-m sapphire vapor-x 4850  geil black dragon 1066 5-5-5-15-20 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
wd  asus dvd multi-write arctic cooling freezer 64 pro win 7 ultimate x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
samsung 42" lcd logitech wireless antec basic 500watt old dell crap 
MouseAudio
logitech wireless pioneer 7.1 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Water Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › Any point of going custom these days?