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If you want to overclock do not touch any of the ASROCK boards. They are terrible. The only decent ASROCK AM3+ motherboard out there is the Extreme 9 and it rarely can keep pace with an Asus M5A99FX. If you are stuck for cash and the sabertooth is too expensive get the M5A99FX.
Dunno how you came up with this one. I am currently on a ASRock 990FX Killer, and the OC is really easy. Lots of options, they are explained, easy to work with, cooled NB, cooled VRM's, backplate on the CPU socket for big air coolers, nice Ethernet LAN card, lots of USB ports, 5 SATA ports, literally you can fry an egg on the socket if you try hard enough, and the MB will keep working.
No offense, but paying extra 40Euro just for the Premium (i.e brand name), is stupid. You can spend those 40 Euro to get better CPU cooler.
In terms of what the boards offer, the ASRock offers more stuff, in terms of performance, literally the same - same power design, same quality of components, same amount of cooling on elements.
easily actually. They have useless hunks of metal for heatsinks on the VRM and NB. The PCB on ASROCK boards is thin and flimsy. Due to the thinner PCB the socket VRM area gets heatsoaked quicker, a phenomena aided by the useless heatsinks. The Fatal1ty Professional and extreme 9 are not true 12phase designs, but rather 6 phases using doublers. Which means that the extreme 9 and Fatal1ty Professional can't keep up with even ASUS midrange products.

As for the Killer and 970 Fatal1ty performance, both boards use the same heatsinks and VRM design with 4 doubled phases. As for "frying an egg on the socket" well that's just stupid. Anyone who knows their AM3+ overclocking can tell you the importance of keeping the socket cool. And no those two boards are not tough. Most killers/970 performance struggle with overclocks beyond the 4.6 territory and generally blow up beyond 4.7GHz There is plenty of evidence of this here on OCN.

As for additional features such as M2. And other things, well they are simply "meh" on 990FX boards due to the limitations of the chipset.
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You cannot even compare the two boards (Sabertooth & Extreme3), ASRock is so much behind. The only even remotely proper AM3+ boards from ASRock are Extreme9 and Fatal1ty Professional. The first one is way too expensive and the second one is EOL. All of the rest of the models are low-end boards, not recommend for overclocking. They all have fake phase or doubled (in the best case) VRM, which are usually analog. The PCBs are paper thin and the mosfet and inductor quality is generally not at the same levels as on ASUS and Gigabyte.
Wut? How so? The Extreme9 and Killer are very similar, the first has more SATA ports than the killer, otherwise nothing much different. Paper thin PCB's - well, you cant expect 1cm thick stuff. And how do you fake phases?
easily. Pull the heatsink off and look at the layout of the phases and the PWM controller controlling them.
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There are some extreme overclockers here and they push their hardware to its limits and beyond. The Asrock boards are a known commodity and the best of them have overheating problems and then die in 6-12 months. They are NOT recommended for overclocking.

OP: You will find that compared to the GD80 the Sabertooth will achieve higher overclocks at lower voltages, but it takes some work in the bios to get there trying to figure out what it wants as opposed to what you want.
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All i was able to find is this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a8k1fAzGnSNQGsMJi4Rl22RRdG_4ni98heLTM_SxNGQ/pubhtml/sheet?headers=false&gid=2

From the http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database
It says "channels" instead of phase doubling, but dunno if it means this. Google returns no results for this as well.
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Wut? How so? The Extreme9 and Killer are very similar, the first has more SATA ports than the killer, otherwise nothing much different. Paper thin PCB's - well, you cant expect 1cm thick stuff. And how do you fake phases?

Similar? The only similarity between Extreme9 and Killer is their intended purpose biggrin.gif

Extreme9 has CHL8328 digital VRM controller, CHL8515 gate drivers, and Texas Instruments CSD87350Q5D power block fets. Despite the VRM components being top notch quality, this board still uses fake phase configuration. Fake phase configuration means that the phases have been doubled without using a proper hardware to do so (i.e doublers). In fake phase VRMs two or more mosfets are run parallel by the same driver. Extreme9 has 6+1 real phases, but they are connected to hardware intended for 12+2 phases (== fake phase configuration).

970, 990FX Killer / Extreme6 meanwhile use an ancient Richtek RT8871A 4+1 phase analog controller. It has 2 integrated drivers for CPU and one for NB. On these boards ASRock has added two Richtek external drivers (2 + 2 + 1 in total) and then doubled the component count without using the proper hardware. On 970 and 990 Killer the mosfets are relatively high quality (Renesas), however the Extreme6 is using SinoBest mosfets. These boards are all 4+1 fake phase analog boards using medium quality components, at best. The PCB on ASRocks is the weakest link as it is literally paper thin. You can pop off SMD components by bending the board slightly and I´ve had some ASRock boards which have been bent right out of the box.
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Similar? The only similarity between Extreme9 and Killer is their intended purpose biggrin.gif

Extreme9 has CHL8328 digital VRM controller, CHL8515 gate drivers, and Texas Instruments CSD87350Q5D power block fets. Despite the VRM components being top notch quality, this board still uses fake phase configuration. Fake phase configuration means that the phases have been doubled without using a proper hardware to do so (i.e doublers). In fake phase VRMs two or more mosfets are run parallel by the same driver. Extreme9 has 6+1 real phases, but they are connected to hardware intended for 12+2 phases (== fake phase configuration).

970, 990FX Killer / Extreme6 meanwhile use an ancient Richtek RT8871A 4+1 phase analog controller. It has 2 integrated drivers for CPU and one for NB. On these boards ASRock has added two Richtek external drivers (2 + 2 + 1 in total) and then doubled the component count without using the proper hardware. On 970 and 990 Killer the mosfets are relatively high quality (Renesas), however the Extreme6 is using SinoBest mosfets. These boards are all 4+1 fake phase analog boards using medium quality components, at best. The PCB on ASRocks is the weakest link as it is literally paper thin. You can pop off SMD components by bending the board slightly and I´ve had some ASRock boards which have been bent right out of the box.
Dude... your dealer... recommend it to me!
No, seriously, from where you get this information? I wasn't able to find anything? Is this from personal experience?
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Dude... your dealer... recommend it to me!
No, seriously, from where you get this information? I wasn't able to find anything? Is this from personal experience?
He's quite knowledgeable about these things and has much experience. wink.gif
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Dude... your dealer... recommend it to me!
No, seriously, from where you get this information? I wasn't able to find anything? Is this from personal experience?

OK, i am going to help you on this:

http://www.techpowerup.com/204656/the-stilt-drives-amd-fx-8370-to-8722-78-mhz.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/186056/amd-super-pi-history-to-be-rewritten-courtesy-the-stilt.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/AdvancedMicroDevices/comments/3gpdkm/stilt_has_managed_to_unlock_carrizo_and_kaveri/

http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=62817&page=2
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Dunno how you came up with this one. I am currently on a ASRock 990FX Killer, and the OC is really easy. Lots of options, they are explained, easy to work with, cooled NB, cooled VRM's, backplate on the CPU socket for big air coolers, nice Ethernet LAN card, lots of USB ports, 5 SATA ports, literally you can fry an egg on the socket if you try hard enough, and the MB will keep working.
No offense, but paying extra 40Euro just for the Premium (i.e brand name), is stupid. You can spend those 40 Euro to get better CPU cooler.
In terms of what the boards offer, the ASRock offers more stuff, in terms of performance, literally the same - same power design, same quality of components, same amount of cooling on elements.


ASRock and quality components? The same power design? You must not read the motherboard forums here very much.
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Originally Posted by ku4eto View Post

Dude... your dealer... recommend it to me!
No, seriously, from where you get this information? I wasn't able to find anything? Is this from personal experience?




The Stilt knowledgeable? Uh, yeah!
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