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The G43,45,46 were designed before the FX came out I believe and were never really meant for them, but MSI said they were ok to use anyway and they are actually as long as they are kept at stock clocks. There are people who have run them for years like that.
The problem was that MSI said they were OK to use with FX, but didn't say that you couldn't overclock on them, and that doing so ran the risk of destroying the board and the CPU.

If they insisted on selling those boards as AM3+ designs, overclocking should have been locked out.

And I have heard of G4x boards blowing up even when the CPU was running at stock. Nikos aren't really safe at any speed.
     
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The G43,45,46 were designed before the FX came out I believe and were never really meant for them, but MSI said they were ok to use anyway and they are actually as long as they are kept at stock clocks. There are people who have run them for years like that.

In a last gasp effort to see if my 9590 was salvageable I ran it on the GD80 and it wouldn't run at default settings, but when I tweaked it a bit it ran and passed stress tests at 4.7. At 4.8 it would run but IBT caused a hard shutdown. So I switched in the SBT and it was the same. No default, but 4.7 was ok with some tweaking. And 4.8 caused the same hard shutdown. This makes me think that the GD80 does have some sort of protection built in at the same place as the Sabertooth. Other than that anything goes and I like that. No muss, no fuss, but just get the job done. If only it had LLC so it could be compared to other boards better.

That won't happen if you have phase management disabled ( at least on the bios version I have).
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Err, which board are you talking about? Whatever it is, it happened at the same place in the same conditions with both of them and frankly I'm glad its there as I do not want to push that hard. It normally doesn't happen.
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Err, which board are you talking about? Whatever it is, it happened at the same place in the same conditions with both of them and frankly I'm glad its there as I do not want to push that hard. It normally doesn't happen.

I think you may have been testing the 9590 before you realized there were controls for the cpu phases on the GD-80 or perhaps later bios have safety features for the 220 watt cpu's. In the case of the 990 Gaming , it locks the cpu voltage when my 9370 is place on it when running the latest bios .

The only time I've ever had a hard stop with the GD-80 is when I've tripped the OCP on my 850 watt seasonic gold rated PSU.
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The G43,45,46 were designed before the FX came out I believe and were never really meant for them, but MSI said they were ok to use anyway and they are actually as long as they are kept at stock clocks. There are people who have run them for years like that.

This is true with more or less all of them BUT MSI's history of failures and inferior components still makes them suspect to me. redface.gif

I will just say it - If you're not going to OC it much if at all pretty much all of them will do except for the 9xxx series chips. If wanting to run a 9xxx series chip that takes the majority of boards off the table related to it holding up period, esp if you decide to OC it.

The big three from Asus are the preferred boards to have if you want a real expectation of it being able to take the punishment a 9xxx series chip can lay onto a board.
Gigabyte has some that will do it but as said in another post BIOS bugs could be an issue.
ASRock only have one or two I'd even consider risking it with, all the rest I'd leave alone.

MSI - Forget it.

Another one would be (If you can even find one at all nowadays) the Biostar TA 990FXE, that model while good for everyday use I cannot suggest for a 9xxx chip even if it does support it somehow.

The two examples of it I have/had both died when I had a bad stick of RAM in it with the same exact symptoms afterwards, being both boards act as if there's no power to the boards even though the PSU was on and plugged into the wall - No standby LEDs working or anything.

If I can figure out what went wrong (And if it's a bad component I could replace) I'd fix it and run it again, did well for everyday use up until that happened with it.

In both instances the Asus boards tolerated the stick(s) with an error, the Biostars just quit. Biostar isn't known to be a top quality maker anyway but you'd think they would at least be able to tolerate a stick going bad without it killing the board or at least knocking out a component resulting in the same.
BTW the sticks were tested in both makes on both occasions and the Asus simply threw an error, to confirm the stick as bad I tried it in the Biostar and that's what happened. Retested it in the Asus again and did the same thing both times, threw an error so the Biostars should have survived it but did not.
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Well, I probably still don't know what the cpu phase control is as I can't recall anything about it. That means I probably never touched it. All I know is both boards did the same thing at the same place.


It sounds like you are using the same PSU as I am. Could that cpu kick it out? It is a bad one and has been retired.
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When enabled, "CPU Phase Control" on MSI boards enables phase-shedding. That means the unnecessary VRM phases will be shut down, once the current draw drops below a certain threshold. Likewise the phases will be turned back on once the current draw increases above the threshold. By default this option is disabled and it should stay that way, when the CPU is overclocked.
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When enabled, "CPU Phase Control" on MSI boards enables phase-shedding. That means the unnecessary VRM phases will be shut down, once the current draw drops below a certain threshold. Likewise the phases will be turned back on once the current draw increases above the threshold. By default this option is disabled and it should stay that way, when the CPU is overclocked.

On the GD 80 I have, with the bios it has, it defaults to a setting where it alternates phases. You have to change a setting to get it to use all phases all the time. It has these settings for both cpu and ram.
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On the GD 80 I have, with the bios it has, it defaults to a setting where it alternates phases. You have to change a setting to get it to use all phases all the time. It has these settings for both cpu and ram.

I used GD80 as an example. It is phase-shedding and nothing more, just like I said.

Disabled = All available phases used.
Enabled = Some of the phases are shut down to improve the efficiency.

The same applies for DDR.

Disabled = 2 phases
Enabled = Single phase

These options are located under "Green Power" for a reason.
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Oh, it has something like that. There is a row of blue lights along the top of the board that show which cores/vrm are active and I set it so they are all on all the time. Dunno what it's called.
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