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People getting all worked up over nothing like usual when it comes to Apple. It's a security issue, nothing more. The touch ID sensor is matched to other components in the phone at the factory. If it's replaced with another one, even if its a genuine part, the phone locks itself down. This is a good thing. It's why if your phone has a damaged touch ID sensor and you send it to Apple for repair, they replace the entire phone.

I think the issue is that it bricks people's phones without warning. At the very least, they could disable Apple Pay on the device. It would most likely be more work than just bricking the device, but they would come out of this better than they are.

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People who are laughing this off saying it's a security issue are missing the point. Yes the idea behind this was security related, however the article stated two specific instances where security was not an issue. The owners of the phone still had it in their possession, brought it to Apple and they told them to buy a new one.

That's not a security issue, that's a customer relations/ PR issue.

TouchID can and is used to buy things using Apple pay. It very much is a security issue, especially since criminals can potentially replace the TouchID sensor, then emulate the users fingerprint scans to buy stuff using Apple Pay. It's very unlikely to happen, but that doesn't mean it can't be done.
    
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I think the issue is that it bricks people's phones without warning. At the very least, they could disable Apple Pay on the device. It would most likely be more work than just bricking the device, but they would come out of this better than they are.
TouchID can and is used to buy things using Apple pay. It very much is a security issue, especially since criminals can potentially replace the TouchID sensor, then emulate the users fingerprint scans to buy stuff using Apple Pay. It's very unlikely to happen, but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

I agree with you, I thought I made that clear. The issue I have with Apple in this entire thing is in instances where the owners could prove that in their case security was not an issue and it was just a case of an uninformed consumer, they offer them absolutely no support and tell them to buy a new one. That is the issue, not the fact that the phone will shut off if the Touch sensor is replaced, but the fact that Apple offers no support after the fact.
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post #43 of 71
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I think the issue is that it bricks people's phones without warning. At the very least, they could disable Apple Pay on the device. It would most likely be more work than just bricking the device, but they would come out of this better than they are.

Frankly I prefer the kill switch. If someone stole my phone and attempted to use some sort of hacked touch ID sensor to get into it, I'd want the phone to kill itself, not just disable certain features. There's far too much sensitive information stored on phones these days including my own.
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post #44 of 71
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Frankly I prefer the kill switch. If someone stole my phone and attempted to use some sort of hacked touch ID sensor to get into it, I'd want the phone to kill itself, not just disable certain features. There's far too much sensitive information stored on phones these days including my own.

It's been a while since I had an iPhone so I be remembering wrong, but I think there was a way to "brick" your own phone (it disables everything and the only thing it displays is "This phone is lost, please call x" if it got stolen/lost using the Find My iPhone app and the only way to get it useable again is to plug it into one of your computers that you have previously synced it with.
    
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It's been a while since I had an iPhone so I be remembering wrong, but I think there was a way to "brick" your own phone (it disables everything and the only thing it displays is "This phone is lost, please call x" if it got stolen/lost using the Find My iPhone app and the only way to get it useable again is to plug it into one of your computers that you have previously synced it with.

This is correct. It only works if the phone has a network connection though and I'm sure there are ways to prevent the lockdown signal from reaching the phone. More security is better.
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I still haven't seen evidence that 3rd party Touch ID buttons are functioning.
Next the fingerprints are stored in the CPU, what does replacing the Touch ID button achieve here? There is no security risk.
Apple replace phones when the button breaks meaning they can't even repair/re-pair buttons let alone a 3rd party.
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I'm the last person to rush to Apple's defense, especially on an issue of owner repair/modification. However, if it is limited to the fingerprint sensor, I understand security enforcement to ensure 3rd party hardware that may have been compromised cannot be installed. IMO there should be a hardware security standard so there is a method to diag and identify a part as unadulterated, that way people can do what they want with devices they purchase.
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I still haven't seen evidence that 3rd party Touch ID buttons are functioning.
Next the fingerprints are stored in the CPU, what does replacing the Touch ID button achieve here? There is no security risk.y.

Really, no security risk? Are you saying that because there's no (known) issue right now, Apple should just leave a gaping hole in the wall until someone decides to walk through it? Phones these days contain a massive amount of personal information, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, passwords, health information, etc. The security implications are huge and every step possible to secure that information should be taken.
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They aren't lying, of course it's all about security.


...security of their profit margins. Apple loves you.
    
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They aren't lying, of course it's all about security.


...security of their profit margins. Apple loves you.

Then why does it only brick when you replace the TouchID sensor and not the screen, camera, battery, etc?
    
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