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Really, no security risk? Are you saying that because there's no (known) issue right now, Apple should just leave a gaping hole in the wall until someone decides to walk through it? Phones these days contain a massive amount of personal information, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, passwords, health information, etc. The security implications are huge and every step possible to secure that information should be taken.

Sorry but I think you don't understand the system. It's like saying we have asymmetric key signing, someone can try to use a different certificate but since we want to eliminate any possibility of a breach we will disable your PC.

Home button repair is the simplest and cheapest repair compared to Apple repair costs. Meaning this repair costs Apple peanuts, when a 3rd party repairs yours it means Apple lose a whole lot of money compared to screens etc.

Also if someone was able to break the system, it would look legit to the CPU, meaning Apple couldn't do anything to prevent it. Your argument fails.
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If it is a security issue shouldn't the new home button not work in the first place? Only bricking during the update is pretty pointless, any damage has already been done.
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Brothers one got that error updating, He did a google search and found it was related to the Chinese home button replacement he used since his factory button you had to basically push though the back of the phone to get it to work.
He just put his old button back in and used itune to try update it again from a semi-bricked state and it worked. Then put the replacement button back in and all is well.
From that I can take it that the phone looks for some sort of identifier from the button during the update.

I guess its fair enough since the replacement button was $2 from ebay without a scanner built into it so they are probably trying to stop people buying ones with broken buttons then fixing with cheap parts to sell on for profit.

This makes me believe it is purely an effort to stop cheaper repairs, e.g. make money for Apple and their authorized repair shops. If it really was a security issue swapping in the new button after the update would disable the phone.
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post #53 of 71
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If it is a security issue shouldn't the new home button not work in the first place? Only bricking during the update is pretty pointless, any damage has already been done.
This makes me believe it is purely an effort to stop cheaper repairs, e.g. make money for Apple and their authorized repair shops. If it really was a security issue swapping in the new button after the update would disable the phone.

New home buttons don't work! They are just dumb buttons and Touch ID and Apple Pay are disabled.

The new update disables the phone after the above facts. So yes, it's a scam from Apple.
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Didn't know OCN had so many security experts, and electrical engineers on the forums.
    
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Didn't know OCN had so many security experts, and electrical engineers on the forums.

I am an electronic engineer and funnily enough I work in Identity...

Just to add, what kind of security measure only checks integrity of its system on firmware update and not in realtime? Again this is more reasons for this tactic being scam worthy.
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post #56 of 71
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I am an electronic engineer and funnily enough I work in Identity...

Just to add, what kind of security measure only checks integrity of its system on firmware update and not in realtime? Again this is more reasons for this tactic being scam worthy.

Going to go out on a limb and say that, like most threats, the issue was discovered post release. Issue being their system getting compromised via hardware swap. The new firmware implements the new check, and thus fix.
    
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Going to go out on a limb and say that, like most threats, the issue was discovered post release. Issue being their system getting compromised via hardware swap. The new firmware implements the new check, and thus fix.

It's possible, and that they have found a very easy flaw that possibly hasn't hit mainstream and are trying to mitigate anything getting out of hand. It just seems very weird. Even if people were to get around the pairing of the sensor, the CPU still holds the fingerprints. So then you would need another attack to bypass this or lift prints. And if either of those are possible you probably don't need a new/replacement/hacked home button.

So either a scam or some embarrassing flaw.

And if somebody changes the home button after upgrading to the latest iOS??? Apple solve nothing. Their methodology makes no sense.
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post #58 of 71
It's no different from auto manufacturers who make some things serviceable only through an authorized dealer. The only difference is there is a halfway non-shady reasoning and that is the specialized equipment which costs thousands of dollars needed to make the repair, which isn't so in Apple's case of replacing a simple button. It is a money grab but the less critical minds (cough Apple users cough cough) will care less.
    
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If you really believe apple is bricking phones that have received non apple repairs out of security concerns and not money concerns you're more then a little naive.

It's also about protecting their brand. They've "always" been protective of the working internals of their products as much as possible.

 

It's also not black and white such as strictly about money. It's about all of it. Petty amounts of Money, and potentially hacking the phone's security, and hopefully preventing the PR backlash that would come if there was a security flaw exposed by replacement parts being used...I wonder who the public would blame...Apple :rolleyes:

 

They aren't saints by no means, but some topics are PETTY! And we are driven to post about some supposed "Fury" to feed the Internet click monster...sheep all of us.

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It's possible, and that they have found a very easy flaw that possibly hasn't hit mainstream and are trying to mitigate anything getting out of hand. It just seems very weird. Even if people were to get around the pairing of the sensor, the CPU still holds the fingerprints. So then you would need another attack to bypass this or lift prints. And if either of those are possible you probably don't need a new/replacement/hacked home button.

So either a scam or some embarrassing flaw.

And if somebody changes the home button after upgrading to the latest iOS??? Apple solve nothing. Their methodology makes no sense.

Good point.
There has to be done something. Where is the class action now? biggrin.gif


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