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I really have no clue. I really want to go AMD this time just because it has been awhile, but I won't know for sure until that day comes. With a second kid now price is going to be a determining factor more than ever.

yeah GPUs are a much lower priority when you have a new born kid. congrats and all the best. thumb.gif
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I think earliest would be July. HBM2 volume production has just kicked off. 2.5D stacking has higher turnaround times. So yeah we have to wait. I am hoping AMD has a very competitive product. The last generation was disappointing as Nvidia cleaned up the GPU market and rode to 80% marketshare.

btw are you waiting for GP104 to launch and then compare against Polaris 11 and pick the faster/better GPU.

Yup, actual production would take like 2 months. Plus probe, testing, packaging, etc, etc. Then the card manufacture production time.
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Yup, actual production would take like 2 months. Plus probe, testing, packaging, etc, etc. Then the card manufacture production time.

So, are you estimating July as well?
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Like I said, Fiji was spotted in November 2014: http://videocardz.com/54013/amd-fiji-xt-spotted-at-zauba and released June 2015. Given how AMD seems to favor longer times between card releases, I wouldn't be surprised if Polaris was released late Q3 or early Q4 of this year.
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Yeah, not sure why my 2nd post was deleted.

you know the reason.
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http://videocardz.com/54013/amd-fiji-xt-spotted-at-zauba and released June 2015. Given how AMD seems to favor longer times between card releases, I wouldn't be surprised if Polaris was released late Q3 or early Q4 of this year.

AMD does not favour longer times between card releases. AMD shelved their 20nm designs as the process did not suit high performance GPUs and had underwhelming transistor efficiency gains. Nvidia had a backup plan with Maxwell 28nm and also had the financial resources to do so. AMD who were in serious cash crunch decided to ride out the rough time period by rebranding older GPUs and going ahead and launching Fiji with HBM on 28nm to gain valuable experience with HBM. Those decisions did hurt market share but given that Zen and Polaris were very important for AMD's future survival thats what they chose to do.
Edited by raghu78 - 2/5/16 at 12:39pm
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Here's to a successful (and hopefully well timed) launch.

I really do hope they step up this generation. The better the product, the more choices the consumers have.
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AMD does not favour longer times between card releases. AMD shelved their 20nm designs as the process did not suit high performance GPUs. Nvidia had a backup plan with Maxwell 28nm and also had the financial resources to do so. AMD who were in serious cash crunch decided to ride out the rough time period by rebranding older GPUs and going ahead and launching Fiji with HBM on 28nm to gain valuable experience with HBM. Those decisions did hurt market share but given that Zen and Polaris were very important for AMD's future survival thats what they chose to do.

Of course they do.

Fury X: June 2015
290X: October 2013
7970: Dec 2011
6970: Dec 2010

980 Ti: June 2015
980: Sept 2014
780 Ti: Nov 7 2013
780: May 2013
680: March 2012
580: Nov 2010

Nvidia knows how to play the game. That's all there is to it.
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Nice to read it smile.gifthumb.gif
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Of course they do.

Fury X: June 2015
290X: October 2013
7970: Dec 2011
6970: Dec 2010

980 Ti: June 2015
980: Sept 2014
780 Ti: Nov 7 2013
780: May 2013
680: March 2012
580: Nov 2010

Nvidia knows how to play the game. That's all there is to it.

There is a context to everything. AMD's CPU division was performing badly. Bulldozer launched in late 2011 and the CPU business started losing revenue. Brazos held the fort for awhile but once Baytrail launched in 2013 that part of the business too caved in especially as cheap tablets based on Baytrail contra revenue flooded the market. Heck even Apple could not escape from the glut of cheap tablets flooding the market and their iPad sales have been falling for 8 quarters from q1 2014 based on a Y-o-Y comparison(same quarter a year ago) .

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-ipad-business-shrinks-25-percent-2016-1

its simple. the CPU division has affected the GPU division too as falling revenues and mounting losses forced layoffs and R&D cuts. AMD has prioritized Zen and Polaris over everything. AMD stopped refreshing server CPUs once they realized Bulldozer was a pig. The client CPUs received improvements but only in a very limited manner as the underlying architecture was a dead end.

With Polaris and Zen (CPU/APUs) AMD are making a honest attempt to compete again and start generating profits. Raja Koduri accepted that AMD failed to make completely new designs in the past few years. Thats as much of an acknowledgement you can get from the Graphics CTO of AMD.

But for a person like you its all very simple. Nvidia knows to play the game and AMD does not. so be it. rolleyes.gif
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There is a context to everything. AMD's CPU division was performing badly. Bulldozer launched in late 2011 and the CPU business started losing revenue. Brazos held the fort for awhile but once Baytrail launched in 2013 that part of the business too caved in especially as cheap tablets based on Baytrail contra revenue flooded the market. Heck even Apple could not escape from the glut of cheap tablets flooding the market and their iPad sales have been falling for 8 quarters from q1 2014 based on a Y-o-Y comparison(same quarter a year ago) .

http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/call-of-duty-black-ops-iii-test-gpu-2015.html

its simple. the CPU division has affected the GPU division too as falling revenues and mounting losses forced layoffs and R&D cuts. AMD has prioritized Zen and Polaris over everything. AMD stopped refreshing server CPUs once they realized Bulldozer was a pig. The client CPUs received improvements but only in a very limited manner as the underlying architecture was a dead end.

With Polaris and Zen (CPU/APUs) AMD are making a honest attempt to compete again and start generating profits. Raja Koduri accepted that AMD failed to make completely new designs in the past few years. Thats as much of an acknowledgement you can get from the Graphics CTO of AMD.

But for a person like you its all very simple. Nvidia knows to play the game and AMD does not. so be it. rolleyes.gif

You can take a look at market share but you already know the numbers from your previous post. People will buy cards twice as much that only have half a step up in terms of performance. AMD lacks filler cards and it wouldn't surprise me if Nvidia's market share goes up to 90% by 2018.
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