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Isn't there a court ruling of some sort that require stores to have a minimum quantity of AMD laptops on the shelves? Apparently it doesn't say anything about their quality, so vendors can gimp them to give Intel an advantage.
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Originally Posted by The RobotΒ View Post

Isn't there a court ruling of some sort that require stores to have a minimum quantity of AMD laptops on the shelves? Apparently it doesn't say anything about their quality, so vendors can gimp them to give Intel an advantage.

Never heard of anything like that.
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Isn't there a court ruling of some sort that require stores to have a minimum quantity of AMD laptops on the shelves? Apparently it doesn't say anything about their quality, so vendors can gimp them to give Intel an advantage.

...No? headscratch.gif But there was one that said Intel can't pay off OEMs who agree to not use AMD. Not sure why the store front would have any obligation to have X% AMD, Y% Intel, and Z% VIA.
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Interesting thing to note is that only Carrizo systems are single-channel, or rather, only the Kaveri system is dual-channel. Why is that? Excavator-based Carrizo shares a socket with Puma-based Carrizo-L, so maybe that's it? But then that seems silly. Cat cores do support multiple memory sticks. Could the socket not be wired such that Carrizo-L sees two sticks in single-channel and Carrizo sees two in dual-channel?
Lol. I'll take Carrizo if it means an actual GPU.

And let's put this in different terms. This APU, optimized for low-power systems, 1) achieves its goal better than even AMD's low-power architecture and 2) is a direct descendant of Bulldozer. Yeah, that Bulldozer? This would be like Intel turning Netburst into a capable architecture, something they never managed. AMD has done the impossible with Carrizo.

Now take three important things: knowledge/experience from BD-based uarches and the cat cores, two node shrinks in a single step, and Jim Keller. Zen actually has a shot, a very good shot, at going head to head against Intel. If this is what they can do with a crap architecture, then let's see one built from the ground up.

They are dual channel natively, they had to have force disabled dual channel on the mobos.
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Right. Is it a socket issue? Board issue? OEMs being cheap?
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Truly some baffling choices made by the OEMs with regards to hardware. Single channel memory, crap displays, etc.
AMD needs to make an in-house laptop or something crazy if they want to gain market share, because every time I've looked at laptops in the last 10 years of so, there are dozens of intel choices and one or two terrible Sempron 1366x768 models on display.

The worst thing with amd based laptops is cooling(not in cases mentioned in article).

When choosing a ~2K PLN(~650USD at the time) laptop for light gaming/general use I was between 2 options.
Lenovo G510 i3-4100M +r7 M265 (I have it)
Lenovo Z50-75 A10-7500 (iirc) + some dGPU

The pricing was close. The APU option had stronger graphics(crossfire) as well as FHD screen and SSHD on default.
But I had to choose G510.
That's because the Z50-75 was overheating causing the cpu performance to drop a lot.

The Z50-70 which is intel/nvidia option in the same chassis had exactly the same cooler and it was already close to overheating (cpu temps 85-90Β°C).
Yet with apu +dgpu that have higher TDP lenovo decided to go with the same solution.

With intel not only you have much more choices but also the whole design is better.
On amd when you choose entry-level laptops then it's just pure garbage. To get good amd laptop then you have to aim for gaming ones(which have poor price/performance).
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Are you aware that you are comparing 8800p (35w version) to intel 15w CPU ?

I was talking about 15w 8800p vs 15w intel

But your benchmark from your link show that even 15w i5 was slightly better 35w APU. LOL
sometimes I LOL when I think about how a 4th generation of a poor uarch on 28nm can compete so well with a 6th generation of a better uarch on 14nm.
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...No? headscratch.gif But there was one that said Intel can't pay off OEMs who agree to not use AMD. Not sure why the store front would have any obligation to have X% AMD, Y% Intel, and Z% VIA.
They're not agreeing not to use AMD anymore, just to misuse AMD in badly misconfigured designs. An 8800P laptop with dual-channel memory, a screen that doesn't suck, and an SSD might actually take sales away from Intel, so that just can't happen.
     
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They're not agreeing not to use AMD anymore, just to misuse AMD in badly misconfigured designs. An 8800P laptop with dual-channel memory, a screen that doesn't suck, and an SSD might actually take sales away from Intel, so that just can't happen.

It'd be perfect for modest gaming. It truly is sad.
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What does one expect, really? Even with the improvements, Excavator is still bad compared to Intel. Plus it's running on a larger node than Intel.

So unless you need a beafy, itengrated GPU on a laptop, go Intel. And then you might as well get a dGPU...

It's a shame, but this all still stems from AMD being stuck on 28nm and a poor, poor CPU design.

Only when AMD gets Zen APUs with HMB out the door, will they see laptop/ portable sales go up - or just Zen mobile parts without much of a iGPU.
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