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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

msot CPU Coolers with the copper base and limited heat conductivity from heatpipes wont match an AIO at high TDP, there is really no point for big heatsinks nowdays
Exposed heatsinks radiate(or convect, I dunno which is which to be honest) the heat onto other components which I find to be extremely frustrating. I wish the underlying physics could be dumbed down for the likes of me in a review.
They also contribute to air impedance in a big way. The result usually is more sound pressure just to circumvent the air around the elephant in the room.
Edited by mtcn77 - 2/6/16 at 9:59am
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How did this big cooler phobia even start? Is there even one case of a properly mounted tower cooler damaging a motherboard? confused.gif
No. The mounting system is tested before a company releases it, and if you mount it correctly, it will not harm a motherboard. I've hauled systems with big air coolers vertically mounted many times and never had a problem.
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dBA graphs hardly tell the entire story. How quiet do they get at idle? How low can you keep those fans while maintaining reasonable temperatures?

CLC's always look good in graphs, but in the real world I'll take a big air cooler or a custom loop over a CLC any day.
This.

CLC's are pointless unless you're just buying it for looks. Some people care more about what it looks like in their case window than how it actually performs. (Not that there's anything "wrong" with that, but on a price/performance basis, that's all they're really good for.)
     
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No. The mounting system is tested before a company releases it, and if you mount it correctly, it will not harm a motherboard. I've hauled systems with big air coolers vertically mounted many times and never had a problem.
This.

CLC's are pointless unless you're just buying it for looks. Some people care more about what it looks like in their case window than how it actually performs. (Not that there's anything "wrong" with that, but on a price/performance basis, that's all they're really good for.)

one minor pro to add to CLCs is that when its installed, there's more room to work around in the case and have the option to remove ram at will, which most air coolers will block access to RAM.
     
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one minor pro to add to CLCs is that when its installed, there's more room to work around in the case and have the option to remove ram at will, which most air coolers will block access to RAM.

This was an unexpected benefit I noticed when I purchased the H80 back in the day. I didn't really even think about it until I got it into the case and realized that I can actually do things inside of the case without having to remove the heatsink or risk slicing my damn hands up trying to work with it still in place.
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CLC's are pointless unless you're just buying it for looks. Some people care more about what it looks like in their case window than how it actually performs. (Not that there's anything "wrong" with that, but on a price/performance basis, that's all they're really good for.)

I really hate when people make all CLC's sound terrible. You guys forget the TWO MAJOR ITEMS that CLC's have over standard heatsink-fan coolers.
  1. They can pull in a fresh air supply from outside the case (ambient temperature)
  2. They take up less space around CPU socket, allowing you to work easily.



Air coolers have a couple of huge advantages, too.
  1. Less moving parts (more reliable)
  2. Less expensive.



So lets not turn this into a CLC vs Air argument. Lets talk about this cooler in the OP, because it looks like a really good air cooler. thumb.gif
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I really hate when people make all CLC's sound terrible. You guys forget the TWO MAJOR ITEMS that CLC's have over standard heatsink-fan coolers.
  1. They can pull in a fresh air supply from outside the case (ambient temperature)
  2. They take up less space around CPU socket, allowing you to work easily.



Air coolers have a couple of huge advantages, too.
  1. Less moving parts (more reliable)
  2. Less expensive.



So lets not turn this into a CLC vs Air argument. Lets talk about this cooler in the OP, because it looks like a really good air cooler. thumb.gif

1. Who wants to dump the heat of an overclocked CPU into their case instead of exhausting it? You can also turn a fan 180 degrees to intake air. A fan can draw in air from a few inches away...even if the fan is not mounted on the rear of the case. So you can STILL intake cool air from outside of the case. Have you used a tower HSF before?

2. Who works around their CPU after it has been installed? There is plenty of clearance on most HSFs to access the GPU just fine.

You also skipped the fact the HSFs don't have pumps to fail

You also skipped the fact HSFs can't leak all over your components

The coolant in my old H80 almost completely evaporated. Load temps were in the 90s where the CPU would throttle instantly.

A tower HSF is going to far outlast CLCs.

Many people favor reliability and factor in risk of component damage when choosing a cooler. Tower HSFs don't leak or have pumps that fail, nor will the liquid in the pipes evaporate.

You seem quite biased and seem to have an agenda here or you don't understand how CLCs work. I have an H80i GT NIB that I'm going to put on the marketplace because this Megahalem black replaced it. I had enough problems with my old H80. Luckily Corsair is an awesome company that stands behind their products so the warranty process was painless, but I"m not going through that again.
Edited by one-shot - 2/6/16 at 9:04pm
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1. Who wants to dump the heat of an overclocked CPU into their case instead of exhausting it? You can also turn a fan 180 degrees to intake air. A fan can draw in air from a few inches away...even if the fan is not mounted on the rear of the case. So you can STILL intake cool air from outside of the case. Have you used a tower HSF before?

2. Who works around their CPU after it has been installed? There is plenty of clearance on most HSFs to access the GPU just fine.

You also skipped the fact the HSFs don't have pumps to fail

You also skipped the fact HSFs can't leak all over your components

The coolant in my old H80 almost completely evaporated. Load temps were in the 90s where the CPU would throttle instantly.

A tower HSF is going to far outlast CLCs.

Many people favor reliability and factor in risk of component damage when choosing a cooler. Tower HSFs don't leak or have pumps that fail, nor will the liquid in the pipes evaporate.

You seem quite biased and seem to have an agenda here or you don't understand how CLCs work. I have an H80i GT NIB that I'm going to put on the marketplace because this Megahalem black replaced it. I had enough problems with my old H80. Luckily Corsair is an awesome company that stands behind their products so the warranty process was painless, but I"m not going through that again.
Some Cooler Master Brand AIO's come with refilling ports. Sealing the valve shouldn't be a problem, imho. Though, I still wonder if PVC evaporation is as bad as they say.
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So basically a Scythe Mugen.
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So basically a Scythe Mugen.

Isnt the Mugen a single Tower with a 120mm fan?

I mean you could say its basically an NHD-15 or any of the other big dual towers though. The design has stagnated, here's hoping for some magical advance inside the heatpipes that causes this Alpenfohn to perform way better then what's out already, I doubt it but you never know.

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Exposed heatsinks radiate(or convect, I dunno which is which to be honest) the heat onto other components which I find to be extremely frustrating. I wish the underlying physics could be dumbed down for the likes of me in a review.
They also contribute to air impedance in a big way. The result usually is more sound pressure just to circumvent the air around the elephant in the room.

I suppose if youre running more then one graphics card they can make it harder to get the heat from them out of the case without dragging it through the cooler first. But otherwise there are ways to make the cooler part of the front to back airflow so that they dont impede anything. Other then making getting to RAM a bit awkward sometimes tongue.gif
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
1. Who wants to dump the heat of an overclocked CPU into their case instead of exhausting it? You can also turn a fan 180 degrees to intake air. A fan can draw in air from a few inches away...even if the fan is not mounted on the rear of the case. So you can STILL intake cool air from outside of the case. Have you used a tower HSF before?

2. Who works around their CPU after it has been installed? There is plenty of clearance on most HSFs to access the GPU just fine.

You also skipped the fact the HSFs don't have pumps to fail

You also skipped the fact HSFs can't leak all over your components

The coolant in my old H80 almost completely evaporated. Load temps were in the 90s where the CPU would throttle instantly.

A tower HSF is going to far outlast CLCs.

Many people favor reliability and factor in risk of component damage when choosing a cooler. Tower HSFs don't leak or have pumps that fail, nor will the liquid in the pipes evaporate.

You seem quite biased and seem to have an agenda here or you don't understand how CLCs work. I have an H80i GT NIB that I'm going to put on the marketplace because this Megahalem black replaced it. I had enough problems with my old H80. Luckily Corsair is an awesome company that stands behind their products so the warranty process was painless, but I"m not going through that again.

No agenda. Just stating facts. Sorry you had a bad experience with your H80i GT. My H110 has been very good to me. thumb.gif

On topic, I am curious about RAM clearance with this giant air cooler. I am sure the cooling performance will be fantastic, but I hate how large coolers like this block larger heatsinks on RAM sometimes.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 2/7/16 at 8:21am
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