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#1 ·
So I am upgrading to the 5820k havent decided on which motherboard yet but I will be overclocking. Anyway this is my build right now without the cpu motherboard and cpu cooling. I do currently own a CM 212 Evo dont know if thats recommended for this cpu tho anyway help me out . keep in mind it has to fit in my case without any modifications.

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card

Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case

Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit)

Monitor: Acer XB270HU bprz 144Hz 27.0" Monitor

Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse
 
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#3 ·
The 212 would be ok for stock or a mild overclock. But, trying to get past even 3.8 with it will be a hot dirty task.

Your case has the max cooler height (165mm) to support a few of the top tier twin tower coolers. It appears you're going dual channel low profile memory, so cooler ram interference issues are reduced. Plus you've wisely selected low(ish) profile ram.

Twin Tower Options:

Noctua D14 2011 Edition - PWM fans and 160mm height, 120mm front fan to minimize ram clearance issues.

Noctua D15 / D15S - 165mm height so just qualifies - the D15S is an offset design - won't interfere with 1st pci slot and no memory clearance issues.

Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E or SB-E Extreme - 165mm height. The Extreme edition has 2x 2500rpm 140mm fans vs the more civilized version with 1300rpm 140mm fans.

Single Power Towers:

Thermalright Le Grand Macho - 159mm height - without fans. (Not available in US yet - Dang!)

Scythe Ninja 4 - 155mm height, under $50 and trades temps with the big twins. Requires low profile memory tho. Which you have selected. So, it's the automatic bargain choice, imo. Check out ehume's review.

Could also consider the Thermalright TrueSpirit 140 Rev A - it's just a tad over 165mm tho, but it's very capable for a sub $50 cooler.

All the above coolers will offer temps within 3-5 degrees of AIO/CLC coolers that cost much more, make more noise and can dump more than air in your case when things go wrong. (Recent leaky Predator recall for example)

The issue I have with the 200R is that it only supports 2x120mm front intakes and the stock fans are weak. Be prepared to swap those out. (did you buy it yet?) How important to you is low noise vs cooling? And are you for or against case modding for airflow liberation? ;-)
 
#4 ·
MicroCat posted some good options, but as far as I know the 200R only has 160mm CPU clearance. Sorry to be blunt, but your case pick was a poor choice. Most top coolers are taller than 160mm .. 165mm CPU clearance expands the cooling options dramatically.
the 200R is 210x430x497mm & 160mm CPU clearance
Define R4 being 232x464x523mm & 170mm CPU clearance (uses 140mm fans everywhere for better airflow).
Deep Silent 3 207x456x520mm & 165mm CPU clearance (all sizes are WxHxD):

Could you confirm you are stuck with using the 200R? Because if you can get a better case instead it will give you a lot more coolers to choose from as well as a case that will flow air better and quieter for similar or slightly more money.

If not, NH-D14 is very good.

TRUE Spirit 140 rev.A performs and sounds the same as D14 .. which is the same as D15 if using same fans.
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But it's 165mm tall.
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#6 ·
Spending all that money on great parts and terrible 200R case, which is very poor for airflow, cooling and build quality.

These are the best choices for the best airflow.
Fractal Define S (175mm height coolers)
NZXT S340 (Limits to 160mm height coolers)
Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX (190mm height coolers)
Phanteks Enthoo Pro M (190mm height coolers)

As for coolers, Noctua D14/D15
Cryorig R1 Ultimate/Universal
 
#7 ·
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Originally Posted by Sleazybigfoot View Post

For what it's worth, I run the 5820k with a Noctua NH-U14S and it runs quite cool. From what I remember with a bit higher fan profile than stock during GTA 5 it reached 50-55 Degrees Celcius max.

It's also really silent, but it is quite big so I don't know if it'll fit.
NH-U14S is a good cooler. About the same as TRUE Spirit coolers. But it is also 165mm tall
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Originally Posted by Sp33d Junki3 View Post

Spending all that money on great parts and terrible 200R case, which is very poor for airflow, cooling and build quality.

These are the best choices for the best airflow.
Fractal Define S (175mm height coolers)
NZXT S340 (Limits to 160mm height coolers)
Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX (190mm height coolers)
Phanteks Enthoo Pro M (190mm height coolers)
They are some of the best for sure, but not the best. And Evolv ATX is definitely not 'best' in airflow. They are a great case, one is in tranist to me right now.
Almost any Fractal Design or Phanteks case is good choice.
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#8 ·
Yeah im stuck with the 200r. If the d14 fits tho ill go with that. how is the noctua u12 compared to the d14? Also i see a lot of price variations with the d14 it goes as high at 179 and as low as 79 dollars. Which would i need?
 
#9 ·
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

They are some of the best for sure, but not the best. And Evolv ATX is definitely not 'best' in airflow. They are a great case, one is in tranist to me right now.
Almost any Fractal Design or Phanteks case is good choice.
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When I say best in airflow, as the front fans are not being block by a stupid HDD cage and can use 2x 140mm fans. Just direct airflow towards rear and improving circulation.
Why I always recommend those 4 cases, tried them all and works great.
Compared to the single 120mm from the 200r. 2nd 120mm is blocked by HDD cage, so it becomes useless.
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Originally Posted by Teafac3 View Post

Yeah im stuck with the 200r. If the d14 fits tho ill go with that. how is the noctua u12 compared to the d14? Also i see a lot of price variations with the d14 it goes as high at 179 and as low as 79 dollars. Which would i need?
200r just limits you with coolers with your case being 160mm max. D14 wont fit.
noctua u12S will leave just 1-2mm of clearance. Very tight fit.
Cant you return the case and get a better one. Picking the right case is next to PSU as being important in any build.

Other choice is Scythe Ninja 4 like MicroCat have mentioned.
For me I would get a different case, that will get the cooler you want.
 
#10 ·
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Originally Posted by Sp33d Junki3 View Post

When I say best in airflow, as the front fans are not being block by a stupid HDD cage and can use 2x 140mm fans. Just direct airflow towards rear and improving circulation.
Why I always recommend those 4 cases, tried them all and works great.
Compared to the single 120mm from the 200r. 2nd 120mm is blocked by HDD cage, so it becomes useless.
200r just limits you with coolers with your case being 160mm max. D14 wont fit.
noctua u12S will leave just 1-2mm of clearance. Very tight fit.
Cant you return the case and get a better one. Picking the right case is next to PSU as being important in any build.

Other choice is Scythe Ninja 4 like MicroCat have mentioned.
For me I would get a different case, that will get the cooler you want.
'Stupid HDD cage/s' is/are easily removed from cases I listed.
NZXT S340 with 160mm CPU clearance greatly limits cooler choices.
Enthoo Pro M is 2x front but no bottom intake, and if the PSU cover is used at least half of the lower front fan's airflow is not gong to motherboard area of case.
Define S has great front and bottom venting but the back is extremely restrictive compared to Define or Enthoo cases.
I'm waiting for my Enthoo Evolv ATX, but have hard many complaints about it's front venting being restrictive.

Using the 200R for comparisons makes no sense .. unless it's to point out all the things wrong with a case design.
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There is no comparison between it and the cases we have listed

Also, it seems one of us is confused.
NH-D14 is 160mm tall
200R has 160mm CPU clearance.
I've always been able to fit a 160mm cooler in a case with 160mm CPU clearance.
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How is the 158mm tall NH-U12S 'very tight' with 2mm of clearance?
There is no problem, even if the top of cooler and case side touch.

Sorry to be argumentative, but your statements have too many errors (in my opinion) and inconsistencies to let them pass silently .. especially considering they are your response to my suggestions.
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#11 ·
When the 200r was here we had 2 of them, with side panels being different.
Part of the side panel is indented inwards, panel was 158mm, 200r suppose to be 160mm.
We could not even close the side panel when NH-U12S it was158mm panel.

When I read your post on the D14 I read the D15 part as you said 165mm.
Bottom intake I barely look at that for cooling.
Enthoo Pro M is where the fans are positioned. 140mm bottom is partial covered. 120mm both are above.

R4 is good, R5 was a big improvement.
Evolv I did not find the front that restrictive from front pulling. Fans was capable to handle it.
NZXT S340 may be 160mm, there is other options to fit. Can even go with Cryorig C1.

Did not find Define S rear extremely restrictive. Built too many system with these case and never had complaints for rear be restrictive.
 
#12 ·
So none of the noctuas will fit with my case? By the way i have the one with the glass side panel
 
#14 ·
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Originally Posted by Sp33d Junki3 View Post

When the 200r was here we had 2 of them, with side panels being different.
Part of the side panel is indented inwards, panel was 158mm, 200r suppose to be 160mm.
We could not even close the side panel when NH-U12S it was158mm panel.

When I read your post on the D14 I read the D15 part as you said 165mm.
Bottom intake I barely look at that for cooling.
Enthoo Pro M is where the fans are positioned. 140mm bottom is partial covered. 120mm both are above.

R4 is good, R5 was a big improvement.
Evolv I did not find the front that restrictive from front pulling. Fans was capable to handle it.
NZXT S340 may be 160mm, there is other options to fit. Can even go with Cryorig C1.

Did not find Define S rear extremely restrictive. Built too many system with these case and never had complaints for rear be restrictive.
Fair enough.
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I have found bottom intake to often improve GPU temps, especially if case is raise to improve airflow area to vent.
Have used R2 and R4. Night and day difference! Would love to try R5.
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Tried a couple Deep Silence, they are okay, but FD are better in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Teafac3 View Post

So none of the noctuas will fit with my case? By the way i have the one with the glass side panel
Sp33d Junki3 has knowledge of your case and can probably tell you.
If not, measure from inside of window to surface of motherboard tray. That distance minus 16mm is the height of CPU cooler that will fit.

Post #29 in "Ways to Better Cooling" linked in sig.
 
#15 ·
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Originally Posted by Teafac3 View Post

So none of the noctuas will fit with my case? By the way i have the one with the glass side panel
200R Window is different. Thought you had the side vent version.
Window is aprox 165mm, I know the vent were about 6mm inwards.

Noctua is good as long the price is fair.
Cryorig H5 is another good choice for around $45 which beats the NH-U12S for less.
Scythe Ninja 4 and NH-U12S are about $60
 
#16 ·
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Originally Posted by Sp33d Junki3 View Post

200R Window is different. Thought you had the side vent version.
Window is aprox 165mm, I know the vent were about 6mm inwards.
So thats better for me right?
 
#18 ·
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Fair enough.
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I have found bottom intake to often improve GPU temps, especially if case is raise to improve airflow area to vent.
Have used R2 and R4. Night and day difference! Would love to try R5.
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Tried a couple Deep Silence, they are okay, but FD are better in my opinion.
Sp33d Junki3 has knowledge of your case and can probably tell you.
If not, measure from inside of window to surface of motherboard tray. That distance minus 16mm is the height of CPU cooler that will fit.

Post #29 in "Ways to Better Cooling" linked in sig.
I remember doing the same thing to see what would actually fit in my pc-9f, since Liam li tends to under estimate the maximum size of components a bit.
 
#19 ·
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Originally Posted by Sp33d Junki3 View Post

200R Window is different. Thought you had the side vent version.
Window is aprox 165mm, I know the vent were about 6mm inwards.

Noctua is good as long the price is fair.
Cryorig H5 is another good choice for around $45 which beats the NH-U12S for less.
Scythe Ninja 4 and NH-U12S are about $60
the d14 is my best option tho right? Hoping to get a good overclock out of it. The prices on the d14 are all over the place tho. Are there different variations? I see them as low as 79 and as high ass 179. What gives?
 
#20 ·
D14 is not the best option only if the price is good.
The D14 do not support 2011 out of box. Unless you have an Asus board that has X-Socket.
You have to get the NM-I2011 mounting kit from Noctua which is free or you can buy the kit for $15 if need a rush for it.
As for prices, it varies on the retailer and where you are located.
 
#21 ·
If you go NH-14, get the NH-D14 SE2011. It has the mount you need and also has PWM fans, which the normal D14 does not have.
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by Sp33d Junki3 View Post

D14 is not the best option only if the price is good.
The D14 do not support 2011 out of box. Unless you have an Asus board that has X-Socket.
You have to get the NM-I2011 mounting kit from Noctua which is free or you can buy the kit for $15 if need a rush for it.
As for prices, it varies on the retailer and where you are located.
I am gonna be going with an asus board haven't decided which tho. Was thinking the asus x99 pro, do you know if its any good? And as far as the cooler not trying to spend more than 100
 
#23 ·
Measure up your case so we know what your CPU clearance is. If you have 165mm, the TRUE Spirit 140 Rev. A is 165.15 officially. The two I've actually measured were just under 165mm. I think most dimensions posted by companies are not from physical measurement, but from their CAD drawings. So it is not uncommon for the tops of heatpipes to vary slightly when actual measurements are taken compared to the CAD machine drawings / programs used in manufacturing.
 
#24 ·
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Measure up your case so we know what your CPU clearance is. If you have 165mm, the TRUE Spirit 140 Rev. A is 165.15 officially. The two I've actually measured were just under 165mm. I think most dimensions posted by companies are not from physical measurement, but from their CAD drawings. So it is not uncommon for the tops of heatpipes to vary slightly when actual measurements are taken compared to the CAD machine drawings / programs used in manufacturing.
Okay will do at work now when I get home later I'll take
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Measure up your case so we know what your CPU clearance is. If you have 165mm, the TRUE Spirit 140 Rev. A is 165.15 officially. The two I've actually measured were just under 165mm. I think most dimensions posted by companies are not from physical measurement, but from their CAD drawings. So it is not uncommon for the tops of heatpipes to vary slightly when actual measurements are taken compared to the CAD machine drawings / programs used in manufacturing.
Will do at work now but when i get home ill post some numbers.
 
#25 ·
Hey I know its been a week and all but after taking everyone advice into consideration i decided to get the fractal define s. With this case is the noctua d15 my best option for lowest temps on a air cooler?
 
#26 ·
best is a matter of opinion. the top coolers like the D15 and others are all within 2 to 3C of eachother and there is little difference which top end cooler you get. most of the time it comes down to which color scheme you are going with and which cooler happens to be on sale at the time of purchase. I would say stick with noctua since they have the guarantee of supplying different mounting kit for your cooler if a new socket is introduced. it adds value for the usability of that cooler in future builds.
 
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