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Tried 2, returned both. Insane BLEED and GLOW on them. Not acceptable.

Is this Asus or AU Optronics fault?
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Tried 2, returned both. Insane BLEED and GLOW on them. Not acceptable.

Is this Asus or AU Optronics fault?

Both. The panels are glowing and the housing is bleeding.
post #43 of 74
BLB is a QC issue.

Ultrasharps do have very good QC. Which, surprisingly, is better than Apple has on their "retina" monitors.
post #44 of 74
As much as I'm a fan of Asus products, damn they really screwed the pooch with this release.

It reached a point where I finally caved and settled with a 1440p 144hz TN panel from BenQ, which I have absolutely no complaints about.

IPS is overrated tongue.gif
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It's simple.

They are using cheap panels from AUO or LG and they assemble them poorly without any form of QC = money saved, profit is being made and that's it.

All this nonsense about Republic of Gamers and so called "PREMIUM" gaming monitors is just that = a nonsense, pure PR for selling cheap, poorly assembled monitors for premium price. They should be sued for that.

I've seen at least 30 Dell IPS monitors from U and P series and none of them had that severe backlight bleed as these "premium" Asus monitors have! And those Dell's were all EDGE-LIT so give me a break of that nonsense "It's perfectly fine to have a backlight bleed on IPS panels beacuse they are EDGE-LIT"...

We are the stupid ones, we who are paying 800$/€-900$/€ for this 2016 monitor-fiasco.

I've been telling people this here for quite some time now, sadly it mostly falls on deaf ears(in this case EYES) and they only way this is going to change is with the wallets of well informed consumers, aside from OLED maturing and becoming a cheap alternative.
Edited by Nightingale - 2/8/16 at 4:18pm
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We need monitors that are full array with localized dimming. IPS glow sucks, but, that's just part of the tech.

No, we need OLED to become affordable to the masses. OLED doesn't even have a backlight, so things like this can't happen. I spent 5 grand for mine and it was the best thing I ever bought. The difference is basically like comparing turds to diamonds. tongue.gif

Even if these didn't have blacklight bleed, the contrast and black levels just wash everything out. It's terrible that we're still using such bad display technologies in 2016 and still paying $800+ for them. We still have the same problems we've had ever since LCD first came out. It's time to retire the technology. We are finally starting to see OLED monitors releasing, but they are about 10x more than your average person can afford.

In the next 5 or so years, we should hopefully see LCD/LED be fully obsoleted by affordable OLED panels.
Edited by Murlocke - 2/8/16 at 5:20pm
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No, we need OLED to become affordable to the masses. OLED doesn't even have a backlight, so things like this can't happen. I spent 5 grand for mine and it was the best thing I ever bought. The difference is basically like comparing turds to diamonds. tongue.gif

Even if these didn't have blacklight bleed, the contrast and black levels just wash everything out. It's terrible that we're still using such bad display technologies in 2016 and still paying $800+ for them. We still have the same problems we've had ever since LCD first came out. It's time to retire the technology. We are finally starting to see OLED monitors releasing, but they are about 10x more than your average person can afford.

In the next 5 or so years, we should hopefully see LCD/LED be fully obsoleted by affordable OLED panels.

They should be able to do full array back lighting under the $1,000 price point on a gaming monitor. OLED have a ways to come down before they'll be a consideration. Let's fill in that 3 to 5 year gap with full array and get away from edge-lit.
     
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They should be able to do full array back lighting under the $1,000 price point on a gaming monitor. OLED have a ways to come down before they'll be a consideration. Let's fill in that 3 to 5 year gap with full array and get away from edge-lit.

The problem is Full Array Local Dimming is expensive to make and tends to be thick and heavy (less appealing to the masses). FALD also tends to drastically increases input lag to the point where they couldn't call it a "gaming monitor" anymore.

At this point it's likely more expensive than just going straight to OLED for most companies. There's no plants out there producing 4K monitor-sized FALD panels, so initial costs would be very high and it'd be awhile until they made money back. LG already has 4K OLED monitor panels in development and will be selling them to other companies to make their own versions. Dell is also releasing a 4K OLED monitor very shortly (likely an LG panel?), though it's $4,999. The cost of being the first OLED monitor I guess, but I bet we'll see off brands with the same panel for much less in the near future.

You can get LG's top of the line 4K OLED TV for $3,000 and it's 55". When LG gets their monitor-sized OLED panels in full production, it won't be long until we are seeing $1,000-$1,500 30-40" 4K OLED Monitors. Lot of people dropping $800+ on graphic cards around here, so I'd consider OLED affordable for enthusiasts in only a year or two. Hopefully.
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The problem is Full Array Local Dimming is expensive to make and tends to be thick and heavy (less appealing to the masses). FALD also tends to drastically increases input lag to the point where they couldn't call it a "gaming monitor" anymore.

At this point it's likely more expensive than just going straight to OLED for most companies. There's no plants out there producing 4K monitor-sized FALD panels, so initial costs would be very high and it'd be awhile until they made money back. LG already has 4K OLED monitor panels in development and will be selling them to other companies to make their own versions. Dell is also releasing a 4K OLED monitor very shortly (likely an LG panel?), though it's $4,999. The cost of being the first OLED monitor I guess, but I bet we'll see off brands with the same panel for much less in the near future.

You can get LG's top of the line 4K OLED TV for $3,000 and it's 55". When LG gets their monitor-sized OLED panels in full production, it won't be long until we are seeing $1,000-$1,500 30-40" 4K OLED Monitors. Lot of people dropping $800+ on graphic cards around here, so I'd consider OLED affordable for enthusiasts in only a year or two. Hopefully.

If you make the best LCD right now possible how much would it cost for 27" 1440p version? Stuff like IPS used on LG G4 for example. Or what ever tech Samy is using on their current lineup. I know OLED is the future but it still think there are some drawback which only time can tell as PC monitors. Just like a the state of IPS monitors right now. I would not think 1K OLED if they do that low anytime soon will be very good. IPS has been trying to go to masses for long time on PC.
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This full array TV isn't too thick. I'd say less thick then my plasma. Amazon has the weight of the 43" tv at 22.7 lbs. I was able to move it around with ease.





You do make a good point about the infrastructure not being in place. I wouldn't suggest using localized dimming for twitch gaming. Still, just having the full array is a nice improvement.

Guess I'll just wait it out. When OLED comes down in price I'll pick one up. TV most likely. Can't picture going back to a 27" monitor now.
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