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That's overly optimistic if it's supposed to address the point raised. The point raised being "all games released up to the hack release will be hacked".

But if you wanted to just point out that denuvo will fix the security hole within days, then yes, they'll do that certainly. Don't think anyone implied otherwise! It was simply raised that further security holes might be available.

Of course denuvo might try to fix stuff pre-emptively themselves, too.

Anyway!

edit: as for key selling sites, I'm glad they exist. Though it's a far cry from being able to sell any game/license I bought, to anyone I want to, for real money. We'll get there eventually!

You can't get steam refunds from a key selling site.
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You can't get steam refunds from a key selling site.

Right, you'll have to ask the Russians who stole the keys in the first place. rolleyes.gif
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Yeah, you have a point. A lot of the hardware I've bought recently has had some issues with durability and crashing. I'm going to go shoplift first from now on to try it out. If it works well, I'll buy it for real.

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Wait, that sounds illegal. Maybe I should, I don't know, buy it first and then return it if it's broken? I mean, they do have an alright return policy...

Obviously you raise a valid point poor analogy but good point , rma with hardware is different as you the consumer
have many more rights legally.

With regard to software you have less rights and as im sure you aware a lot of the outlets you purchase from unlike steam do not offer refunds so if you have purchased a faulty product your stuck out of money.
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Originally Posted by SpeedyVT View Post

You can't get steam refunds from a key selling site.
Then don't buy from key selling sites. Easy right?
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Then don't buy from key selling sites. Easy right?

That is more expensive. Which is the main reason why people buy from key selling sites.
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If anything sales will go down, people including myself want/need demos in the current industry of horrible ports etc.
Interesting point. I'm sure the popularity of pirated games would shrink noticeably if the studios would reintroduce demos again.

A few videos, images and user ratings on Steam just aren't enough. How often have I bought games on there, played them for 30 minutes and uninstalled them again?
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Originally Posted by Cybertox View Post

That is more expensive. Which is the main reason why people buy from key selling sites.
Life is not fair.

You can not have the nice underground prices coupled with the assistance from the legit clean place.
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If anything sales will go down, people including myself want/need demos in the current industry of horrible ports etc.
Implying downloading the whole game is the same as a demo. I dare someone to say with a straight face they pirate "just to try them" lol just lol

You have dozen of sites testing performance with certain hardware with most games. Not really something to be concerned of.
Edited by GoLDii3 - 2/7/16 at 12:12pm
post #108 of 145
There is no excuse for pirating.
I understand those that make $2 a day (prices for games in poor countries are adjusted because of that btw), but there are millions that could afford games that just doesnt want to today for whatever reason that Denuvo now force stop being cheapskates. And if Denuvo force just 10% of these to buy the games, its a well worth investment for the developers.

Those who think pirating should be allowed to try out the games have apparantly never heard about Demo`s. A version that let you play through one map/area with the settings of a full game is more than enough to figure out if AMD/Nvidia have proper CF/SLI support, if it runs good enough on your machine, if the game is any fun etc.
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Originally Posted by iLeakStuff View Post

There is no excuse for pirating.
I understand those that make $2 a day (prices for games in poor countries are adjusted because of that btw), but there are millions that could afford games that just doesnt want to today for whatever reason that Denuvo now force stop being cheapskates. And if Denuvo force just 10% of these to buy the games, its a well worth investment for the developers.

Those who think pirating should be allowed to try out the games have apparantly never heard about Demo`s. A version that let you play through one map/area with the settings of a full game is more than enough to figure out if AMD/Nvidia have proper CF/SLI support, if it runs good enough on your machine, if the game is any fun etc.

Demos are pretty rare these days, but they have been replaced with refunds on Steam/Origin.

IIRC, Valve keeps 30% of the sale value which comes out of the developer/publishers pocket, even if a user requests a refund so that will also encourage developers/publishers to not release broken games. I think that is the main reason why Warner Brothers removed Batman Arkham Knight from Steam not long after it was released. I'm not sure about Origin other than they do offer refunds as well.

If that is correct, then it's really a win-win for consumers.
    
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Demos are pretty rare these days, but they have been replaced with refunds on Steam/Origin.

IIRC, Valve keeps 30% of the sale value which comes out of the developer/publishers pocket, even if a user requests a refund so that will also encourage developers/publishers to not release broken games. I think that is the main reason why Warner Brothers removed Batman Arkham Knight from Steam not long after it was released. I'm not sure about Origin other than they do offer refunds as well.

If that is correct, then it's really a win-win for consumers.
IMO you shouldn't "misuse" refunding to try out games just because there aren#t any real demos available. I couldn't be bothered to buy a game full price, download the whole thing, just to play a few hours and request a refund.
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