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Hey OCN,
I've been out the tech game for awhile and im thinking about a possible cpu upgrade or gpu upgrade.Current rig is in the sig,ill have about 500-600 tops for the upgrade.Biggest question would be cpu vs gpu upgrade.my 290 still holds up pretty well in most new games @ 1080p.How much of a performance would i see swapping over to lets say a 6600k over my 8350.Currently hitting a wall so to speak alot of newer games im pushing 80% CPU usage.(Rise of the Tomb Raider and The Division are two of them).

Another question would be ddr3(4790k?) vs ddr4 (6600k) what would be the benefits over one or the other?Totally lost here a few friends say go with the i7 over the i5 and stick with ddr3.Not sure which way to go any guidance would be appreciated.
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I would not think the cost investment would be worth the gains.

Higher resolution will make your CPU utilization issue almost disappear.
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I would not think the cost investment would be worth the gains.

Higher resolution will make your CPU utilization issue almost disappear.

Hmm so swapping over to a 6600k wouldnt be worth it?
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I would not think the cost investment would be worth the gains.

Higher resolution will make your CPU utilization issue almost disappear.

Hmm so swapping over to a 6600k wouldnt be worth it?

6600k = you need a new motherboard, New ram, New CPU .. this will likely cost you over 600$ (not to mention your cooling solution will likely need replacing or new parts ordered for change in mounting)

are you expecting double the performance? you won't get it.

is blowing your entire budget worth a few percentages of gain really worth it?

at the end of the day it is your call. But for me if i were to go intel I'd settle for nothing short of a 6core/12 thread chip with a full compliment of PCIe lanes..

anything less is a pure side-grade for anything other than gaming which at 1080p i don't know how much of a difference you'll see. it will depend on the game.

Its a safe bet it will be minimal. within a few %. (talking IRL here not synthetics)
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CPU decides what FPS you can get, usually.

While you might have 60% GPU load at 1080p and 100% GPU load at 1440p, both are still stuck at X FPS (could be 40 for example) and nothing that you do will raise it further on a CPU that can't handle more FPS.

To take the example deeper, a strong CPU might have the option of getting 100% GPU load from 1080p @120fps OR 4k @35fps

A weaker CPU could get 100% GPU load from 4k@35fps, but doesn't have the choice of raising FPS.

If you want better min/avg fps then you can't drop settings or upgrade the GPU, it won't do anything and you're just screwed because the CPU is too weak for game.

Piledriver vs Skylake, it really depends on the engine. If you're dealing with 4 or less threads and highly CPU bound, you can get gains in the realm of ~80% from a 6600k and fast RAM setup. With the best threaded game engines available, that can be much lower - 20% or so.

Of course, if you're nowhere near CPU bound in whatever situation you are testing, there will be no difference shown between CPU's. This shouldn't have to be stated (it's common sense) but you do have to say it a lot around here.


6600k > 4790k unless you can grab a used 4790k for cheap. For 1-4 threaded benches, 6600k is about 10%, sometimes 15% better at the same clock. For x264 video encoding with 8 threads, a 6600k is only 5% slower than a 4790k at the same clock.

6600k's overclock a tiny bit higher on average, but run way cooler (20c or so). Overall more appealing CPU IMO.
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CPU decides what FPS you can get, usually.

While you might have 60% GPU load at 1080p and 100% GPU load at 1440p, both are still stuck at X FPS (could be 40 for example) and nothing that you do will raise it further on a CPU that can't handle more FPS.

To take the example deeper, a strong CPU might have the option of getting 100% GPU load from 1080p @120fps OR 4k @35fps

A weaker CPU could get 100% GPU load from 4k@35fps, but doesn't have the choice of raising FPS.

If you want better min/avg fps then you can't drop settings or upgrade the GPU, it won't do anything and you're just screwed because the CPU is too weak for game.

Piledriver vs Skylake, it really depends on the engine. If you're dealing with 4 or less threads and highly CPU bound, you can get gains in the realm of ~80% from a 6600k and fast RAM setup. With the best threaded game engines available, that can be much lower - 20% or so.

Of course, if you're nowhere near CPU bound in whatever situation you are testing, there will be no difference shown between CPU's. This shouldn't have to be stated (it's common sense) but you do have to say it a lot around here.


6600k > 4790k unless you can grab a used 4790k for cheap. For 1-4 threaded benches, 6600k is about 10%, sometimes 15% better at the same clock. For x264 video encoding with 8 threads, a 6600k is only 5% slower than a 4790k at the same clock.

6600k's overclock a tiny bit higher on average, but run way cooler (20c or so). Overall more appealing CPU IMO.

80%? in games.. no..

certain applications ya 80% is plausible.

are this minimal gains actually worth the cost invested.


give your self option. Wait til zen. then evaluate the market.

at that point there will be a mainstream and Enthusiast options available from both teams

First time In a LONG time they are any where near the same manufacturing node. This next year in Cpus Could get interesting

I'd kick myself if something better for less came out 6 months after my purchase.

and if you end up with a mainstream intel part.. chances art they could be cheaper if Zen makes even a dent in their shipping numbers.

you don't have much to lose by waiting and much to gain.
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80%? in games.. no..

Yes, in games that can't benefit a lot from a 5'th thread or more. It happens a lot. The most popular cases where you see 80% gains are MMO and RTS games, some of the most popular ones even. Starcraft and Total War run twice as fast on Skylake, WoW is ~80% in its favor for some specific examples, but it's most of both genre's and not just those titles.

These are not all games, especially not all brand new games - but it's completely standard for a 6600k to be about 25-80% ahead of FX when CPU bound even on the best engines released recently.
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at that point there will be a mainstream and Enthusiast options available from both teams

First time In a LONG time they are any where near the same manufacturing node

Irrelevant to anyone who's capable of assessing the market and buying whatever works best without bias.
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You definitely get those kinds of gains in certain games. I just finished playing some SC2 right there, which uses 2 cores at best 9and is heavily CPU bound). I run a 4790k at 4.9ghz and have FPS dips in the 30s in standard games with physics on. I shudder to think of the slideshow if I were to have an FX chip.

And Flailschlamp, I'm not gonna get into a p*ssing contest, I can put up a bench in minutes supporting the above statement. The same stands across the board with a non-negligible number of games.
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80%? in games.. no..

Yes, in games that can't benefit a lot from a 5'th thread or more. It happens a lot. The most popular cases where you see 80% gains are MMO and RTS games, some of the most popular ones even.
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First time In a LONG time they are any where near the same manufacturing node

Irrelevant unless you have a strong bias towards AMD and only want to buy their hardware..

actually bias has nothing to do with it.

I am saying give AMD a chance. I am not saying buy them I am saying give them a chance. how is this Bias? how is this anymore bias than you saying that it is irrelivant to what can come out within this year that has the potential to shake intel up a little bit, and you are discounting it before its release just due to it being AMD.

you make it sound like an FX cpu and a higher end GPU isn't capable of maintain a playable frame rate.. which is utterly incorrect.

the only place i can find any proof of a skylake i5 being 80% faster is certain synthetics.

again is a change in platform really worth the expenses for that kind of gain in very certain situations.
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last year i switched from an FX 6300 to my current 3570K which is alot slower than a 6600K and the improvements were night and day. expecily in battlefield 4 and guild wars 2 my framerate nearly doubled. keep in mind alot of games dont use more than 2 or 3 cores so 4 very fast cores ill always beat 8 really weak cores if you can even call them cores.

But the cost is not going to be cheap as stated above you will need a new CPU, new RAM and a new motherboard so you got to weigh the pros and cons and pick whats best for you. But honestly i would jump ship and switch to intel especially if you play CPU intensive games.
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