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I believe you can go for it guys.
I stumbled upon this topic earlier and am interested in this mouse myself (I'm from Poland) and doing research now found out it is available in US now and remembered, that US availability was one of your concerns.

It's available now with free shipping in February, it seems.

https://www.dreammachines.io/products/dm1-pro-gaming-mouse

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What? $50 for US and 63 euros for EU. Should be 50 for EU also.
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What? $50 for US and 63 euros for EU. Should be 50 for EU also.

Probably high taxes, since europeans love it
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What? $50 for US and 63 euros for EU. Should be 50 for EU also.

Probably to do with market size
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Probably high taxes, since europeans love it

Better to have it on the market than not at all, like in the case of Brazil. I believe your taxes are even worse.

63 euros is not much at all, compared to Finalmouse. I believe you have free shipping in Feb ?
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Probably to do with market size
Better to have it on the market than not at all, like in the case of Brazil. I believe your taxes are even worse.

63 euros is not much at all, compared to Finalmouse. I believe you have free shipping in Feb ?

Indeed, but taxes are bad either ways.
And Brazil is a big 3rd world country, EU has tons of small 1st world countries, with a bigger market and more people with knowledge and money. It's basically more worthwhile to sell in those places than to sell in Brazil, where you won't have as much of return as you would in Europe. That's why you don't see a lot of small companies selling their products in here, only the big ones (Razer, Steelseries, Logitech, etc)

And nope, EU countries pays more taxes than us in general. Our problem is basically a devalued currency + economical crisis + political crisis + relatively low wages, and you can add a little bit of bureaucracy and high taxes on imports (~60%+ for a normal citizen). Boom, there you have it.
Just to be clear: I DO NOT agree with that AT ALL, it's not because I live here that I love everything about my country and that I need to defend it. I'm just saying obvious stuff, EU taxes are high compared to NA, and it makes sense to be cheaper in NA than in EU because of that.
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Indeed, but taxes are bad either ways.
And Brazil is a big 3rd world country, EU has tons of small 1st world countries, with a bigger market and more people with knowledge and money. It's basically more worthwhile to sell in those places than to sell in Brazil, where you won't have as much of return as you would in Europe. That's why you don't see a lot of small companies selling their products in here, only the big ones (Razer, Steelseries, Logitech, etc)

And nope, EU countries pays more taxes than us in general. Our problem is basically a devalued currency + economical crisis + political crisis + relatively low wages, and you can add a little bit of bureaucracy and high taxes on imports (~60%+ for a normal citizen). Boom, there you have it.
Just to be clear: I DO NOT agree with that AT ALL, it's not because I live here that I love everything about my country and that I need to defend it. I'm just saying obvious stuff, EU taxes are high compared to NA, and it makes sense to be cheaper in NA than in EU because of that.

A lot of the time when I purchase things from EU I get a VAT (Value Added Tax) which seems to be a much more popular thing in Europe and other eastern countries, while in western countries like the USA it is much rarer to have VAT, in the USA we have 0% VAT but we do have a "sales tax" in states on things that we buy that are goods or services.
    
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A lot of the time when I purchase things from EU I get a VAT (Value Added Tax) which seems to be a much more popular thing in Europe and other eastern countries, while in western countries like the USA it is much rarer to have VAT, in the USA we have 0% VAT but we do have a "sales tax" in states on things that we buy that are goods or services.

Down here it's a bit different. When you have a store, you already need to pay taxes to keep it up and running. Then you need to import your own products, so you pay taxes for it as well.
The taxes (for us, customers) are included in the final price, which is kinda bad because we don't know exactly how much we're paying to the government.
If you import something as a normal citizen (You don't have a store or a company), then you need to pay 60% of taxes over the product value and the shipping value combined, plus a few other fees. It depends on where you live, in some states it can go up to 70% in total if I'm not wrong. That's why many brazilians ask the sellers on ebay to declare the product as a really low value (<15usd), and ask them to send it as a gift and as a normal person, like it was a normal gift from a friend. It's technically illegal, but no one cares about it, even the BR government.

It's just ridiculous imo.
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Down here it's a bit different. When you have a store, you already need to pay taxes to keep it up and running. Then you need to import your own products, so you pay taxes for it as well.
The taxes (for us, customers) are included in the final price, which is kinda bad because we don't know exactly how much we're paying to the government.
If you import something as a normal citizen (You don't have a store or a company), then you need to pay 60% of taxes over the product value and the shipping value combined, plus a few other fees. It depends on where you live, in some states it can go up to 70% in total if I'm not wrong. That's why many brazilians ask the sellers on ebay to declare the product as a really low value (<15usd), and ask them to send it as a gift and as a normal person, like it was a normal gift from a friend. It's technically illegal, but no one cares about it, even the BR government.

It's just ridiculous imo.

The only time I ever had to pay an import tax was when I sent a keyboard to a friend in Canada, and that was something pretty cheap iirc like $12 for a $90 keyboard, it wasn't too bad at all, 60-70% taxes on import goods is pretty insane, I try to buy as much in country as I can and because the USA is so big then finding something that I want in country is usually pretty easy and if it's not, I can just contact the company and ask them how much it'd be to ship to me. I was interested in a Fnatic Flick (lol...) and the cost to ship that to the USA was like 20 euro alone while the mouse was 60 euro, I think the worst import/shipping tax I had before was from Japan and that was $15 for a $10 item, of course, I bought more so I wouldn't have to shop from there again for a while.
    
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The only time I ever had to pay an import tax was when I sent a keyboard to a friend in Canada, and that was something pretty cheap iirc like $12 for a $90 keyboard, it wasn't too bad at all, 60-70% taxes on import goods is pretty insane, I try to buy as much in country as I can and because the USA is so big then finding something that I want in country is usually pretty easy and if it's not, I can just contact the company and ask them how much it'd be to ship to me. I was interested in a Fnatic Flick (lol...) and the cost to ship that to the USA was like 20 euro alone while the mouse was 60 euro, I think the worst import/shipping tax I had before was from Japan and that was $15 for a $10 item, of course, I bought more so I wouldn't have to shop from there again for a while.

Wait, you had to pay the taxes for him? To his country?
I didn't know it was a thing lol

I only sent stuff outside my country twice, and both were RMAs. One was a dead video card, and the other one was my sensei raw.
I declared the sensei as $60 and I didn't have to pay anything, just the shipping. And also, I didn't need to pay custom fees when I received a new one either. Probably because they declared it as a replacement product...
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