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CLC motor whine is louder than my 5 noctua fans, 2 typhoons and 2 nh d15 fans

I should change gpu cooler, but unsure what to buy ._.
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I've used a Corsair H100 (the originally released) for over four years now to cool a 5ghz daily 2700K that I still use today at the same speed. Prior to that and for many years, I used giant air coolers TRUE, etc. By far they required much greater attention to case air flow, much higher fan speeds at the cooler level and overall resulted in a far noiser system than my current rig which, despite it's age, I just haven't found any reason to upgrade ... even since installing dual 980's in SLI ... there just isn't that much of a bottle neck.
This might be worth noting in the OP. Once you're dealing with a multi-GPU setup a lot more attention is required to airflow to achieve low-noise/high-performance.

Still, after spending that much money on GPUs it's a crying shame not to put full blocks on them. wink.gif
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CLC motor whine is louder than my 5 noctua fans, 2 typhoons and 2 nh d15 fans

I should change gpu cooler, but unsure what to buy ._.
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Simple fact is CLCs perform like air coolers, and are priced much higher like low end custom liquid loops.

Sure, they have advantages over air coolers in certain scenarios, but low end custom loops or AIO kits have those same advantages without all the downsides.

This leaves CLCs in an awkward low value high price spot between air and proper liquid, that really has no purpose outside of people with case/component clearance issues AND irrational fears about AIOs and custom loops.

In other words, we all agree that the only good time to buy a prebuilt computer is when you need a laptop. If you want a desktop, you are always better off building it yourself. CLCs are the cooling world's prebuilt desktops, sitting awkwardly between prebuilt laptops and custom built desktops, and not really offering any value over either of the other options.
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This might be worth noting in the OP. Once you're dealing with a multi-GPU setup a lot more attention is required to airflow to achieve low-noise/high-performance.

Still, after spending that much money on GPUs it's a crying shame not to put full blocks on them. wink.gif
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Morpheus needs to remove the stock vrm cooler, don't wanna do that.

How about the MK26?
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This might be worth noting in the OP. Once you're dealing with a multi-GPU setup a lot more attention is required to airflow to achieve low-noise/high-performance.

Still, after spending that much money on GPUs it's a crying shame not to put full blocks on them. wink.gif
Get a Raijntek Morpheus! MK-26!

When and if I go custom loop ... I'll use universals as I'm not about to buy new blocks every year ...

Truth is, I"ve got *3* CLC's in my little Corsair 600T ... the H100 for the CPU and my two 980's are using the EVGA Hybrid coolers, each with their own pump. In daily use, movies, TV, design work, critical music listening etc.?? The rig is quiet as all get out. I've got twice the money I spent on my computer invested in high end headphone/DAC/amp gear (Grado PS1000, etc.) and will accept nothing but the most quiet machine possible (while still being able to use it for gaming and work when I want to) ... and even with three pumps going ... I couldn't be more stoked and can't hear anything pump-wise.

And I've seen all the tests and data out there ... but relative to my own experience and my own needs and daily work/usage/play habits? Water (even CLC's) are way more appropriate...

...

980's exhaust out the side panel ... great in the winter time cause I don't have to run my home central heat if I'm gaming ... LOL ... and the EVGA Hybrid coolers are rad cause they run the pump and fan off of the PCI-E power and require no standard PSU leads of any kind. Everything just piggy backs on the GPU...

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Seems rather inconvenient to have to remove your video cards to get into your machine.
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Truth is, I"ve got *3* CLC's in my little Corsair 600T ... the H100 for the CPU and my two 980's are using the EVGA Hybrid coolers, each with their own pump. In daily use, movies, TV, design work, critical music listening etc.?? The rig is quiet as all get out. I've got twice the money I spent on my computer invested in high end headphone/DAC/amp gear (Grado PS1000, etc.) and will accept nothing but the most quiet machine possible (while still being able to use it for gaming and work when I want to) ... and even with three pumps going ... I couldn't be more stoked and can't hear anything pump-wise.

And I've seen all the tests and data out there ... but relative to my own experience and my own needs and daily work/usage/play habits? Water (even CLC's) are way more appropriate...
That's great! thumb.gif

Every CLC I've owned was clearly audible from ~3m inside my (closed) chassis and the loudest component in my system (my fans run 500-900rpm), and, well, you know, data, but whatever works for your own needs!

#OC'dHearing

Edit: Sorry, missed this.
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Morpheus needs to remove the stock vrm cooler, don't wanna do that.

How about the MK26?
The page says it's compatible with the Titan, but I'm not sure if you'll have to remove the heat plate.

That said, heatsinks should cool as well, and results with both the MK-26 and Morpheus on 290/290x VRM is pretty impressive.
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post #108 of 474
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Originally Posted by claes View Post

That's great! thumb.gif

Every CLC I've owned was clearly audible from ~3m inside my chassis and the loudest component in my system (my fans run 500-900rpm), and, well, you know, data, but whatever works for your own needs!

#OC'dHearing

Before i went full custom i went through 4 of those evga hybrids before giving up. All of them had pump whine.
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You can't fit 2 Morpheus or mk26 with 25mm fan in a 7 slot case, just saying.

Morpheus have better PCB clearance than mk -26 and both have higher clearance than any stock heatsink, so no reason why you can't use the vrm plate. You may need to cut, drill it if it intrude the mounting holes though.

If you have a ref card, look up how people get the midplate from the 290s, same method should work on other card.
Edited by baii - 2/9/16 at 6:59pm
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When ciarlatano was doing all his AIO/CLC & air cooler testing I did some charts with his data.


Air cooler having slightly lower intake air temp instead of being warmer is strange. Normally when testing in a case, air cooler intake temps a significantly higher than radiator. But even with that anomaly there is a 6.8-8.8c difference in intake air temp compared to room. The fact that only one air cooler was used begs the queston "waht would other air cooler intake temps be?" Especially coolers that are not same design as D15 (twin tower).


How can anyone can think testing coolers in a case is 'real world testing'?doh.gif Especially when they monitor room ambient and not cooler intake air temp. Even ciarlatano wiht his well ventilated case ran 6.8-8.8c warmer intake temps. Testing in a case using room ambient only show how coolers perform in the 'real world' of the tester's system. Testers are not comparing how the coolers perform against each other, but instead are comparing how their system performs with different coolers in it .. and because very few (if any) have the same system as tester, the results are not applicable to our needs.

At least to me they are not.
I don't want to know how the testers system performs with different coolers.
I want to know how the cooler compare to each other with no other variables involved. That way if i have cooler 'X' that give 5c better CPU temps than my cooler 'Y' and when I install cooler 'X' in my system and get the same temps i had before, I know my case airflow has changed and is cooler 'X' is ingesting 5c warmer air than cooler 'Y' was.

It is only common sense to remove as many variables as possible from the test procedure.

Using cooler intake air temp instead of room ambient eliminates variables.

Would you look at a thermometer in the bedroom and assume that reading is the temp in other rooms? Yes, it may be .. but there is also a very good chance the other rooms are warmer or cooler. tongue.gif
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