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Before i went full custom i went through 4 of those evga hybrids before giving up. All of them had pump whine.

Mine are dead silent till I put my head in the case, at which point I can barely hear them. Greatest vid card upgrade I've ever done (other than doing "The Mod" on my previous cards). I'm angry if I see load temps over 50C on my GPUS, *ever* ...
    
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Cutting across on the conversation a bit here fellas, apologies, but I saw TPU have a review up of the Swiftech H220X Prestige on a new platform. Theyre using a I7 6700K at 4.6 GHZ 1.4 volts, which is much closer to the average 24/7 people are using I believe, then their old 4.2 4770k at 1.2 volts

Its a nice cooler, but its interesting to see how with all coolers at 100% fans on an open bench the NHD-15 and Cryorig R1 Universal are within a couple of C performance on an Intel quad core at a more respectable voltage. (Sorry @doyll unfortunately they dont measure intake temperature wink.gif )

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Swiftech/H220_X2_Prestige/





It will be interesting to see their results once they build up a bigger sample of heatsinks tested.
Edited by Slink3Slyde - 2/10/16 at 2:14am
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I used to think that liquid cooling was way too much of a risk to all that expensive hardware, however I have been converted
the risks are very small, many manufacturers offer great warranties some even cover damage to components.

Of course an AIO is preferable but mostly much more expensive.

The upsides to CLC's are that they can fit smaller systems where you would have to use a low profile air cooler with poorer performance.

I still do appreciate a good air cooler but having the room to work inside my pc with a CLC or AIO means I don't miss mine.
    
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Cutting across on the conversation a bit here fellas, apologies, but I saw TPU have a review up of the Swiftech H220X Prestige on a new platform. Theyre using a I7 6700K at 4.6 GHZ 1.4 volts, which is much closer to the average 24/7 people are using I believe, then their old 4.2 4770k at 1.2 volts

Its a nice cooler, but its interesting to see how with all coolers at 100% fans on an open bench the NHD-15 and Cryorig R1 Universal are within a couple of C performance on an Intel quad core at a more respectable voltage. (Sorry @doyll unfortunately they dont measure intake temperature wink.gif )

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Swiftech/H220_X2_Prestige/





It will be interesting to see their results once they build up a bigger sample of heatsinks tested.
Thanks for the link! thumb.gif
I suspect the intake temp is very close to room in their testing. They claim a 1c margin of error, so basically top air is as good. The Prestige with NB-eLoop fans are quieter than normal H220 X2 Helix fans.
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I used to think that liquid cooling was way too much of a risk to all that expensive hardware, however I have been converted
the risks are very small, many manufacturers offer great warranties some even cover damage to components.

Of course an AIO is preferable but mostly much more expensive.

The upsides to CLC's are that they can fit smaller systems where you would have to use a low profile air cooler with poorer performance.

I still do appreciate a good air cooler but having the room to work inside my pc with a CLC or AIO means I don't miss mine.
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The use of rubber hoses offends my sensibilities. I'm a retired pipefitter (41years) so I know a little bit about that pipeular stuff. Those hoses wandering randomly all around the case are unacceptable and would never be allowed in an industrial setting. They would be hard piped.

Hard piping is fine and looks good when done well. thumb.gif If I did a water cooled rig that's how I would do it. But I won't because I'm constantly changing things and I need something that is easy to work with, and hard pipes are not the easiest to work with when constantly changing things, like motherboards.

There are on two reasons I can think of to use rubber hoses.

1) You are using a large case with lots of radiators and are constantly changing things, so it is easier to just move the water block out of the way like the pro's do.

2) Sheer laziness. Bolt it in and never touch it again.
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The use of rubber hoses offends my sensibilities. I'm a retired pipefitter (41years) so I know a little bit about that pipeular stuff. Those hoses wandering randomly all around the case are unacceptable and would never be allowed in an industrial setting. They would be hard piped.

Hard piping is fine and looks good when done well. thumb.gif If I did a water cooled rig that's how I would do it. But I won't because I'm constantly changing things and I need something that is easy to work with, and hard pipes are not the easiest to work with when constantly changing things, like motherboards.

There are on two reasons I can think of to use rubber hoses.

1) You are using a large case with lots of radiators and are constantly changing things, so it is easier to just move the water block out of the way like the pro's do.

2) Sheer laziness. Bolt it in and never touch it again.

When you say "rubber hoses", are you referring to all soft tubing, or specifically the rubber that has become big in order to avoid plasticizer leeching?

BTW - I prefer cleanly routed and properly lengthed soft tubing with proper angled fittings to rigid. Some of it comes from the fact that I change components more than the average user, some comes from the fact that I simply prefer a slightly organic look. While I find some rigid builds attractive, a lot of them strike me as looking like movie props from a really low budget sci-fi movie. But the whole one-size-fits-none look of CLCs just reminds me of a dead squid thrown in the case.
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Semantics. Call it soft tubing if you prefer, it's ugly even when bundled and routed cleanly. Your system of using it with fittings is interesting for a system that sees lots of changes.
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That's great! thumb.gif

Every CLC I've owned was clearly audible from ~3m inside my (closed) chassis and the loudest component in my system (my fans run 500-900rpm), and, well, you know, data, but whatever works for your own needs!

#OC'dHearing

Edit: Sorry, missed this.
The page says it's compatible with the Titan, but I'm not sure if you'll have to remove the heat plate.

That said, heatsinks should cool as well, and results with both the MK-26 and Morpheus on 290/290x VRM is pretty impressive.

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You can't fit 2 Morpheus or mk26 with 25mm fan in a 7 slot case, just saying.

Morpheus have better PCB clearance than mk -26 and both have higher clearance than any stock heatsink, so no reason why you can't use the vrm plate. You may need to cut, drill it if it intrude the mounting holes though.

If you have a ref card, look up how people get the midplate from the 290s, same method should work on other card.

I mean

I don't want to remove the vrm plate to install the gpu cooler







The new switftech series has QC issues, not much, but still an issue. Check the owners club.
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When you say "rubber hoses", are you referring to all soft tubing, or specifically the rubber that has become big in order to avoid plasticizer leeching?

BTW - I prefer cleanly routed and properly lengthed soft tubing with proper angled fittings to rigid. Some of it comes from the fact that I change components more than the average user, some comes from the fact that I simply prefer a slightly organic look. While I find some rigid builds attractive, a lot of them strike me as looking like movie props from a really low budget sci-fi movie. But the whole one-size-fits-none look of CLCs just reminds me of a dead squid thrown in the case.

Dead squids providing life support tubes to my cpu is not my fav either. At least not until it's in the hospice ward, waiting to die from years of insane overclocks. But, die in the tendrils of a dead squid? No cpu deserves that biggrin.gif

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Semantics. Call it soft tubing if you prefer, it's ugly even when bundled and routed cleanly. Your system of using it with fittings is interesting for a system that sees lots of changes.

We spend so much time getting meticulous cable management, the less seen the better, hence the popularity of modesty panels as seen in the NZXT 340, and then CLC marketeers want to give our builds the rubber garden hose treatment. tongue.gif

Anyhow, the CLC/AIO weak value case just got weaker. Scythe have released the Fuma twin tower air cooler. And it's small. And slays giants. At 1/4 of the cost. $42.95 and within 1 degree of the Predator 240.



Also besting some of the big dog air coolers. Under 150mm height. Review here.
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For an open system or a case with massive amounts of air flow, I tend to agree that a good Air Cooler is the way to go. It's cheaper and more reliable.

I will also add that in an ideal computer that has 1 CPU, 1 GPU (dedicated or onboard), and 1-3 hard drives, an air cooler will also be preferable in most situations.

However, add in a second air-cooled GPU that pushes air back into the case, and suddenly a CLC that pulls in fresh air from outside the case makes a lot more sense. The CPU will remain far more stable (and cooler) since the air moving over the radiator is ambient temperature. Because most AMD and Nvidia GPU's nowadays self-regulate their heat-output based on temperatures, overheating is not that much of an issue anymore for GPU's. However, most of you will agree that CPU performance is vital for multi-card setups, so you want to keep the CPU as cool as possible.

My 2 cents on the situation. Air cooling and CLCs both have their place.
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