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Originally Posted by MicroCat View Post

Dead squids providing life support tubes to my cpu is not my fav either. At least not until it's in the hospice ward, waiting to die from years of insane overclocks. But, die in the tendrils of a dead squid? No cpu deserves that biggrin.gif
We spend so much time getting meticulous cable management, the less seen the better, hence the popularity of modesty panels as seen in the NZXT 340, and then CLC marketeers want to give our builds the rubber garden hose treatment. tongue.gif

Anyhow, the CLC/AIO weak value case just got weaker. Scythe have released the Fuma twin tower air cooler. And it's small. And slays giants. At 1/4 of the cost. $42.95 and within 1 degree of the Predator 240.



Also besting some of the big dog air coolers. Under 150mm height. Review here.

edhume's result is kind of surprising actually, as all other review find it behind the big dual tower by a bit. I am curious what happen one slap 2(3) 140mm fan on it.

Also, It is not gonna go for 42.9 in the US(which seem to have the cheapest price for heatsink/componets around the world anyways). The ninja 4 is said to have msrp 45-47, and sell for 60 shipped, fuma should be around 60. In japan, the fuma is even more expensive than the ninja 4, which is logical consider it is 2 fan and dual tower.
Edited by baii - 2/10/16 at 10:38pm
post #122 of 474
Shocked me to see that result. But I respect ehume's reviews and test process. He has no 'advertiser-driven' agenda to fulfill. His results have proven to be consistent within his testing framework. More so than many other reviewers.

The difference may just be the mounting pressure used by various testers. That test shows an 11 degree difference between snug and tight. As the Mugen 4 and Ninja 4 have shown (versus previous Scythe models), the mount is where the real heat is. Or in this case where the real heat is removed.

The Ninja 4 is $47.95 at: http://www.coolerguys.com/840556103448.html (excluding shipping) - expect when available there, the Fuma will be $42.95 as well. It's the MSRP.

It's such a small fin stack, that I doubt a 140 will offer much more performance. Possibly less, due to hub deadspot. Still, look forward to finding out. Looks like a great option for itx builds.
post #123 of 474
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Originally Posted by TK421 View Post


The new switftech series has QC issues, not much, but still an issue. Check the owners club.

Check any owners club. Going by that standard, every part that was ever manufactured has QC issues....... doh.gif
post #124 of 474
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

For an open system or a case with massive amounts of air flow, I tend to agree that a good Air Cooler is the way to go. It's cheaper and more reliable.

I will also add that in an ideal computer that has 1 CPU, 1 GPU (dedicated or onboard), and 1-3 hard drives, an air cooler will also be preferable in most situations.

However, add in a second air-cooled GPU that pushes air back into the case, and suddenly a CLC that pulls in fresh air from outside the case makes a lot more sense. The CPU will remain far more stable (and cooler) since the air moving over the radiator is ambient temperature. Because most AMD and Nvidia GPU's nowadays self-regulate their heat-output based on temperatures, overheating is not that much of an issue anymore for GPU's. However, most of you will agree that CPU performance is vital for multi-card setups, so you want to keep the CPU as cool as possible.

My 2 cents on the situation. Air cooling and CLCs both have their place.
Sorry, but in a hybrid system we do not want the CLC cooing as an intake. While it works great for the CLC it is counter-productive for all the components sitll being air cooled. Not saying it's won't work, but it is much better to have it functioning as exhaust if at all possible.

Using their internal temp to control fan speed has been done for more years than I can remember. It only works well as long as component has cool air at it's fan intakes. Basic rule of thumb is an almost even difference between rise in air temp going into component and component temp rise. For example is air going into cooler is 20c with resulting component temp of 50c, if the air going into component rises to 30c, the component them will be 60c.
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edhume's result is kind of surprising actually, as all other review find it behind the big dual tower by a bit. I am curious what happen one slap 2(3) 140mm fan on it.

Also, It is not gonna go for 42.9 in the US(which seem to have the cheapest price for heatsink/componets around the world anyways). The ninja 4 is said to have msrp 45-47, and sell for 60 shipped, fuma should be around 60. In japan, the fuma is even more expensive than the ninja 4, which is logical consider it is 2 fan and dual tower.
ehume is well respected and I've seen coolers give uprising results, but the results he as been getting with these Scythe coolers does make one wonder.
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Shocked me to see that result. But I respect ehume's reviews and test process. He has no 'advertiser-driven' agenda to fulfill. His results have proven to be consistent within his testing framework. More so than many other reviewers.

The difference may just be the mounting pressure used by various testers. That test shows an 11 degree difference between snug and tight. As the Mugen 4 and Ninja 4 have shown (versus previous Scythe models), the mount is where the real heat is. Or in this case where the real heat is removed.

The Ninja 4 is $47.95 at: http://www.coolerguys.com/840556103448.html (excluding shipping) - expect when available there, the Fuma will be $42.95 as well. It's the MSRP.

It's such a small fin stack, that I doubt a 140 will offer much more performance. Possibly less, due to hub deadspot. Still, look forward to finding out. Looks like a great option for itx builds.
11c difference due to mount pressure seems unrealistic.
post #125 of 474
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

Check any owners club. Going by that standard, every part that was ever manufactured has QC issues....... doh.gif
Gotta love blanket statements like his. biggrin.gif
post #126 of 474
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Originally Posted by MicroCat View Post

Shocked me to see that result. But I respect ehume's reviews and test process. He has no 'advertiser-driven' agenda to fulfill. His results have proven to be consistent within his testing framework. More so than many other reviewers.

The difference may just be the mounting pressure used by various testers. That test shows an 11 degree difference between snug and tight. As the Mugen 4 and Ninja 4 have shown (versus previous Scythe models), the mount is where the real heat is. Or in this case where the real heat is removed.

The Ninja 4 is $47.95 at: http://www.coolerguys.com/840556103448.html (excluding shipping) - expect when available there, the Fuma will be $42.95 as well. It's the MSRP.

It's such a small fin stack, that I doubt a 140 will offer much more performance. Possibly less, due to hub deadspot. Still, look forward to finding out. Looks like a great option for itx builds.

I did notice that Scythe I think was the only company to announce a change in their mounting mechanism for Skylake, since some people were complaining about the much thinner PCB being broken by some cooler companies mountings.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/12/intel-skylake-cpus-bent-and-broken-by-some-third-party-coolers/

As you say If you check Ehumes review he uses a 4790k with both the high pressure and low pressure kits, the low pressure is which I would assume is the 'Skylake safe' option its 10c worse performance

I read Ehumes the Ninja review a while ago, and I was surprised he showed it beating the NHD15 there. TPU for instance had it a couple of degrees behind, although that is still very good. I'd like to see the Ninja and this Fuma tested on Skylake at a decent overclock as well to see what happens.
post #127 of 474
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I did notice that Scythe I think was the only company to announce a change in their mounting mechanism for Skylake, since some people were complaining about the much thinner PCB being broken by some cooler companies mountings.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/12/intel-skylake-cpus-bent-and-broken-by-some-third-party-coolers/

As you say If you check Ehumes review he uses a 4790k with both the high pressure and low pressure kits, the low pressure is which I would assume is the 'Skylake safe' option its 10c worse performance

I read Ehumes the Ninja review a while ago, and I was surprised he showed it beating the NHD15 there. TPU for instance had it a couple of degrees behind, although that is still very good. I'd like to see the Ninja and this Fuma tested on Skylake at a decent overclock as well to see what happens.
To the best of my knowledge Scythe was the only one who had problems (assuming they even did) with Skylake. One German site did a spoof video test of Skylake being damaged using a Mugen cooler. Jump in to about 3:00
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Skylake-Codename-259478/Specials/Skylake-Gefaehrdung-durch-Kuehler-1180505/


Back to Fuma, here's a like showing it same as NH-U12S, and Atlas
www.pcgameware.co.uk/reviews/cpu-coolers/scythe-fuma-cpu-cooler-review/
post #128 of 474
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We found that with the fans at 85% there was far less whine and we only lost one degree in cooling performance!

Why don't they post noise readings for 85% PWM then poke.gif
I want to create an another new HW review site.
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To the best of my knowledge Scythe was the only one who had problems (assuming they even did) with Skylake. One German site did a spoof video test of Skylake being damaged using a Mugen cooler. Jump in to about 3:00
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Skylake-Codename-259478/Specials/Skylake-Gefaehrdung-durch-Kuehler-1180505/


Back to Fuma, here's a like showing it same as NH-U12S, and Atlas
www.pcgameware.co.uk/reviews/cpu-coolers/scythe-fuma-cpu-cooler-review/

Thats hilarious! Well that certainly puts paid to any talk of any 'big hunk of metal' damaging your motherboard. tongue.gif

I had assumed it was Scythe who had those problems, clearly the Mugen is unaffected. I guess they did it for P.R after a few reports went around.

Decent review of the Fuma, seems a good option at that price although I do like the look of that Alpenfohn Atlas as well for a few quid more.
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Shocked me to see that result. But I respect ehume's reviews and test process. He has no 'advertiser-driven' agenda to fulfill. His results have proven to be consistent within his testing framework. More so than many other reviewers.

The difference may just be the mounting pressure used by various testers. That test shows an 11 degree difference between snug and tight. As the Mugen 4 and Ninja 4 have shown (versus previous Scythe models), the mount is where the real heat is. Or in this case where the real heat is removed.

The Ninja 4 is $47.95 at: http://www.coolerguys.com/840556103448.html (excluding shipping) - expect when available there, the Fuma will be $42.95 as well. It's the MSRP.

It's such a small fin stack, that I doubt a 140 will offer much more performance. Possibly less, due to hub deadspot. Still, look forward to finding out. Looks like a great option for itx builds.



There's so little temp difference in the high end air coolers (r1, d15s, ninja 4, and even the fuma) - do you think it's just better for a new system builder to get whichever one is cheapest, excluding aesthetics?

And at low speeds, the fans don't create much noise compared to each other either?



I'm curious in the ninja 4 / fuma though, looks like it has great cooling performance even though it's small.
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