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As I've already mentioned ... I'm done with the Big 'Ole Air Coolers(tm) for good ... but being an age old Scythe user and sort of fanboi ... I'm totally digging their new Scythe Fuma air cooler. Really impressive...
    
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Yep, now i can push these bad boys to their limits.
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This is why you should not buy a clc:

Swiftech block. Very sexy and looks great lit.

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With the versatility of CLCs, it's pretty hard to denounce their staying power as a relevant cooling solution. You can't viably use big air for VGA, and I'm honestly waiting for someone to adapt CLCs to mobo VRM cooling.

Nothing will beat the tried and true reliability of big air. I honestly don't see a point in buying new any more, not when you can lap a cooler and a cpu for a few bucks worth of wet/dry sandpaper and beer. The used market price-point of big air is very, very, attractive for budget OCers. I still wish I had my old TT120 around as a backup. That thing was a hoss of a cooler in push/pull.

That being said, I picked up a few refurb H105s for $70 each. For a cooling solution that will last me the life of a build and net a few degrees lower than air, why not?

IMHO, it all comes down to cost justification. What level of expenditure vs. gain are you willing to incur?
Edited by ILOVEPOTtery - 2/11/16 at 11:31pm
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With the versatility of CLCs, it's pretty hard to denounce their staying power as a relevant cooling solution. You can't viably use big air for VGA, and I'm honestly waiting for someone to adapt CLCs to mobo VRM cooling.

Nothing will beat the tried and true reliability of big air. I honestly don't see a point in buying new any more, not when you can lap a cooler and a cpu for a few bucks worth of wet/dry sandpaper and beer. The used market price-point of big air is very, very, attractive for budget OCers. I still wish I had my old TT120 around as a backup. That thing was a hoss of a cooler in push/pull.

That being said, I picked up a few refurb H105s for $70 each. For a cooling solution that will last me the life of a build and net a few degrees lower than air, why not?

IMHO, it all comes down to cost justification. What level of expenditure vs. gain are you willing to incur?

But its not as simple as just CLC vs Air.

What you are describing is a custom loop and it already exists. You can do GFX card(s), CPU(s), Motherboard either full cover or just VRM's and even PSU and in the case of cooling multiple components it is somewhat easier with a custom loop than trying to fit in there somewhere all the CLC's for each component.

As far as old CLC kits go, however, it would be better to avoid these. Galvanic corrosion is a thing that does its damage over time and while one might get lucky it might not be worth the increased risks to save these couple bucks there. Reason why galvanic corrosion is a problem for CLC's is that vast majority of these use mixed metals - copper cpu block (as its better than aluminum for that) and then aluminum radiator (cheaper, lighter). Galvanic corrosion is not unique to CLC's ofc (brass, steel, etc vs copper have it also but its a lot weaker). Unlike custom loop there is no possibility to open up a block before reusing it to asses if there is any damage and if it's an ok idea.
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I wasn't refering to custom loops, perhaps I should have been more direct. I was referring to CLCs being used as graphics card coolers with the likes of NZXT's G10 or Corsair's HG10. Since aftermarket companies have supplied mounting solutions for VGA cards, the only thing stopping them from targeting mounting solutions for other peripherals is customer demand. I'm just hoping there's an aloof enthusiast or engineer somewhere sticking a 120 rad CLC to some VRMs with a billet copper heatsink.

Personally, I have no issue using a refurb CLC. If the pump dies during the warranty, I have no qualms about having it replaced. I'm not reliant on a gaming PC, so a week or two of downtime is a non issue.

If you want to talk about galvanic corrosion, you should have seen the crap I flushed out of my XJ's heater core. We're talkin plus-sized Cocoa Krispies and chocolate cottage cheese.
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Idk, a clc might be a good option if you do need decent cooling and you plan on moving the system around a lot, like an sff build with a handle on top meant to be carried about.

I had good luck with an asetek 550 lc. I bought a pre-built system in 2010 (falcon rig in my sig). They shipped it to me with the clc installed. More than 5 years later, that system is still running with the same cooler. I upgraded a few things over the years but there's was never a need to upgrade the cooler as there's been no cooling performance degradation.

It's very long in the tooth now, wondering if it should be proactively replaced at this point?
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With the versatility of CLCs, it's pretty hard to denounce their staying power as a relevant cooling solution. You can't viably use big air for VGA, and I'm honestly waiting for someone to adapt CLCs to mobo VRM cooling.

Actually, it is the absolute lack of versatility that makes the CLC in it's current state the most likely first platform to obscurity. Air isn't going away any time soon, and now with Swiftech and EK showing that affordable open loop with decent components can be made...that does not bode well for the no-flow pump, aluminum rad iterations of CLCs we see now. Pricing on the Swiftech/EK variety of AiO will drop as more players get involved, making the Asetek-led CLC completely useless in the market.

I am not sure what you find "versatile" about a one-size-fits-none cooling solution that can not be adapted to correctly fit any environment, has horrid performance to noise, and gets thrown away when liquid starts to evaporate. That sounds like the opposite of "versatile".
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Actually, it is the absolute lack of versatility that makes the CLC in it's current state the most likely first platform to obscurity. Air isn't going away any time soon, and now with Swiftech and EK showing that affordable open loop with decent components can be made...that does not bode well for the no-flow pump, aluminum rad iterations of CLCs we see now. Pricing on the Swiftech/EK variety of AiO will drop as more players get involved, making the Asetek-led CLC completely useless in the market.

I am not sure what you find "versatile" about a one-size-fits-none cooling solution that can not be adapted to correctly fit any environment, has horrid performance to noise, and gets thrown away when liquid starts to evaporate. That sounds like the opposite of "versatile".
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CLC are the scum of the earth.
AIOs like Swiftech are the right step to take if air is not meeting your needs. There are probably also water starter kits that need to be assembled by end user, I don't know.
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