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Originally Posted by TheCautiousOne View Post

Doesn't everything just really come out to Cost?

::snip::

Nail on the head man, nail on the head. thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Chargeit View Post

ClC is pretty much plug and play. Air requires tons of back and forth testing that I'm no longer willing to do for the ideal conditions. I don't have to test out 20 different fan orientations to catch good temps. That works for me.
You can make up all the excuses you want.
It does not take 'ideal conditions.'
It does not take '20 different an orientations to catch good temps.'
If you prefer CLC that's fine. Just don't give us a bunch of unreasonable excuses for why you do it.
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

You can make up all the excuses you want.
It does not take 'ideal conditions.'
It does not take '20 different an orientations to catch good temps.'
If you prefer CLC that's fine. Just don't give us a bunch of unreasonable excuses for why you do it.

Exactly.
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Yea, and when I was having problems with my D15 I had suggestions ranging from removing my rear PCI-E covers (which would look like junk), to cutting out my bottom vents. Special needs.

Air cooling is just more trouble. When I first got into pc building I remember spending one night messing with fan placement. I think I pulled my system apart 10 times that night to find the ideal fan placement. That's a lot of effort that a clc doesn't need.
     
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Yea, and when I was having problems with my D15 I had suggestions ranging from removing my rear PCI-E covers (which would look like junk), to cutting out my bottom vents. Special needs.

Air cooling is just more trouble. When I first got into pc building I remember spending one night messing with fan placement. I think I pulled my system apart 10 times that night to find the ideal fan placement. That's a lot of effort that a clc doesn't need.

Ok. This convinces me. I am going to dismiss the several hundred tests I have done firsthand as being an anomaly.

Either way, what really matters is that you are happy.
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Like I said pages back, clc is for lazy people. I can't think of a single case I wouldn't mod to get less noise and better air flow.
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Ok. This convinces me. I am going to dismiss the several hundred tests I have done firsthand as being an anomaly.

Either way, what really matters is that you are happy.

Well, your tests show how it works out for you.
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Like I said pages back, clc is for lazy people. I can't think of a single case I wouldn't mod to get less noise and better air flow.

Lazy how? I said I pulled my system apart 10 times one night. I did a lot of fan tests that I'm no longer willing to do.

Maybe your system is sitting on your desk with easy access. Mine's not. Every time I move mine in and out of its spot I risk damaging it. The cords, they're managed and not easily moved to other spots.
     
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Why can't people just admit they use CLC because it's more aesthetically pleasing and they like the term of "water cooling". It sure does sound a lot better then "air cooling" biggrin.gif

Isn't there more then enough benchmarks that show the best air coolers (80-100$) beat out similarly priced and higher CLC's?
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Darn you! tongue.gif
Said it before I could. thumb.gif
CLC are the scum of the earth.
AIOs like Swiftech are the right step to take if air is not meeting your needs. There are probably also water starter kits that need to be assembled by end user, I don't know.


Such kits do exist.

The Extreme Rigs water cooling review website recently partnered with Performance PCs in the US to release a kit of high quality water cooling parts.
http://www.xtremerigs.net/2016/01/27/extreme-rigs-best-of-water-cooling-kit/

Most water cooling manufacturers also offer their own starter kits.

Here is an example:
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-kit-x360

They are generally more expensive than the open loop parts, but also offer much better performance, and of course have to be assembled by the end user, where as the AIOs are more "plug and play".
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Actually, it is the absolute lack of versatility that makes the CLC in it's current state the most likely first platform to obscurity. Air isn't going away any time soon, and now with Swiftech and EK showing that affordable open loop with decent components can be made...that does not bode well for the no-flow pump, aluminum rad iterations of CLCs we see now. Pricing on the Swiftech/EK variety of AiO will drop as more players get involved, making the Asetek-led CLC completely useless in the market.

I am not sure what you find "versatile" about a one-size-fits-none cooling solution that can not be adapted to correctly fit any environment, has horrid performance to noise, and gets thrown away when liquid starts to evaporate. That sounds like the opposite of "versatile".

Considering a Cryorig R1 Ultimate goes for $80 USD and some pretty decent coolers can be had for as little as $50 USD, I'd say an H220X-type cooler will need to get under $120 USD and ideally under $100 USD to be truly competitive.

Even then there may be applications where a dual tower may still win out - low maintenance. An air tower with a good fan (like the Nidec Gentle Typhoon) may be able to hold out.

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Yes. They are currently learning lip reading at the NYC School for The Deaf.

Use these:


Also useful for those performance obsessed who must have Black Ice GTX Extreme radiators. That said, at least the Black Ice radiators have the performance at high fan speeds, while the CLCs have none of the benefits.


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Originally Posted by Harrywang View Post

Why can't people just admit they use CLC because it's more aesthetically pleasing and they like the term of "water cooling". It sure does sound a lot better then "air cooling" biggrin.gif

Isn't there more then enough benchmarks that show the best air coolers (80-100$) beat out similarly priced and higher CLC's?

Looks are always subjective, but I agree that some people do find the looks of a CLC to be better. I personally like a sexy looking tower. For me, as I said, it's either a tower, something like the H320 X2, or a full on custom loop. thumb.gif

I agree though that form over function plays a huge role. I think that there are others that just like to pretend that they are water cooling.
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Originally Posted by Harrywang View Post

Why can't people just admit they use CLC because it's more aesthetically pleasing and they like the term of "water cooling". It sure does sound a lot better then "air cooling" biggrin.gif

Isn't there more then enough benchmarks that show the best air coolers (80-100$) beat out similarly priced and higher CLC's?

Bro, but, this shows otherwise...




Though, I understand situation affects everything, so...




http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7277/corsair-hydro-h100i-gtx-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html
     
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