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Two things.....have you seen the video posted earlier in the thread where they literally throw a build around with an air cooler? Even on a Biostar MB nothing happened. And where are you people all moving your desktops to so frequently, and having such a need to access your RAM so frequently?

"Hey, Tony. Why do you need to open your hood so frequently, just buy the car with the sealed hood I'm selling ya. Who cares if you can't access your battery, washer fluid or your throttle wire"

I don't throw my systems around, neither do I shoot my body armor to make sure it's still bullet resistant. I do take my LAN rig every week to work and sure, I'm careful, but it might bump into something here and there and it's peace of mind to know that a giant ball of metal isn't dangling off the motherboard that could cause micro fractures and damage the PCB.

One of my old systems died because I left it in the polite and gentle hands of the airport transportation system. It had a Big tower cooler on it. Would it have survived if it had a liquid cooler? Maybe, maybe not, but It would have had a better chance if it did.
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How often are motherboards damaged by the big graphics cards in most gaming rigs?
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How often are motherboards damaged by the big graphics cards in most gaming rigs?

More often than it should. This is one of the main reasons system builders prefer CLCs despite the lower profit margins from OEMs and companies.
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No, they are not based on dB. the dB is just part of the data collected. The dats is for CPU temperature, room ambient, cooler intake air temp and dB(A) of cooler.
ciarlatano's tested both at full speed / maximum dB(A) and at with AIO/CLCs running at <40dB
Even at full speed CLC is only 3c cooler,
At 40dB(A) it is only 1c cooler .. but still 7dB louder than D15
You misread me - I was referring to guy's logic and the techspot review, only using the performance/40db measure to contrast the techspot results.

Though one thing that bugs me about HTL's reviews is there being limited to 7v/12v/40db. While this is great for someone like me who prefers constant voltage rather than fan curves, it would've been nice to see air-coolers on PWM and CLCs in their respective performance/hybrid/quiet modes.
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You misread me - I was referring to guy's logic and the techspot review, only using the performance/40db measure to contrast the techspot results.

Though one thing that bugs me about HTL's reviews is there being limited to 7v/12v/40db. While this is great for someone like me who prefers constant voltage rather than fan curves, it would've been nice to see air-coolers on PWM and CLCs in their respective performance/hybrid/quiet modes.
Maybe I did I misunderstood, but you only referred to HTL in the post.
Something to keep in mind, many review sites do not do all reviews in one location / site. Each reviewer does their testing and reviewing from their own location.

I don't understand
"was referring to guy's logic and the techspot review, only using the performance/40db measure to contrast the techspot results"
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More often than it should. This is one of the main reasons system builders prefer CLCs despite the lower profit margins from OEMs and companies.
Not sure I understand. Are you saying. Please define 'system builders ..." Do you mean pre-build system builders generally use CLCs on GPUs?

I have often wondered why people don't make some support brackets to hold tops of coolers in position as well as support brackets for GPU. I rarely move a system around, but when I used to the system had a GPU support from bottom of case to top so front part of GPU could nto move up or down. This combined with standard screw above PCIe opening in back stabilized GPU nicely. CPU cooler support was harder to implement, but also secured cooler in position.
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You misread me - I was referring to guy's logic and the techspot review, only using the performance/40db measure to contrast the techspot results.

Though one thing that bugs me about HTL's reviews is there being limited to 7v/12v/40db. While this is great for someone like me who prefers constant voltage rather than fan curves, it would've been nice to see air-coolers on PWM and CLCs in their respective performance/hybrid/quiet modes.

The reason for not using PWM curves is simply that they vary drastically from user to user, MB to MB, etc, plus the fact that the fans themselves respond so differently to PWM signals. You wind up with totally wonky comparison numbers between CLCs and air, and in most cases even between air coolers.
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Everything ciarlatano says above is true. thumb.gif

This graph of TY-140, TY-147 and TY-147A shows the difference in rpm to PWM signal to 3 fan with same motors, but TY-147A has a different PWM curve programed on it's internal PWM PCB. wink.gif You can ignore the TY-143's blue line, but it does snow how fans with different top speeds react to same PWM signal as lower speed fans.

Edited by doyll - 2/14/16 at 5:37am
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i find it funny i found this so i figured i would plop it here
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Just recently purchased the H240x unit , and WOW ! soooo much better than my corsair H110i GT , MUCH quieter , better looking and temps are almost 10 Deg C better . Only downside is the black tubing looks really naff , but I am changing that for clear tubing and pastel blue coolant . idleandprimetemps.png 1906k .png file

enjoy ! and i am going to steal your quote to use in another thread !
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i find it funny i found this so i figured i would plop it here

Would any rational person even ponder that the result might be otherwise? wink.gif
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I don't understand
"was referring to guy's logic and the techspot review, only using the performance/40db measure to contrast the techspot results"
Whoops - I meant the tweaktown reviews that ChargeIt had posted. According to those reviews the h110i GT performs 4* better than a D15 but with a 26db increase in noise. The point being that ChargeIt's personal results indicate an airflow problem. I only offered the HTL review to show what a normalized scenario looks like performance wise (and to hint at the difference in results between open-air vs closed-chassis tests).
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The reason for not using PWM curves is simply that they vary drastically from user to user, MB to MB, etc,
This makes sense to me, but given that many AIOs these days offer different pump settings, wouldn't it be beneficial to compare a silent mode to a performance mode? While 7v vs 12v might be somewhat representative of this, I imagine AIO pumps don't hit 12v in quiet mode or 7v in performance mode.

(I can't deny - my only real interest here is proving that heatsinks compete with CLCs across voltages in terms of noise/performance rolleyes.gif)
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plus the fact that the fans themselves respond so differently to PWM signals. You wind up with totally wonky comparison numbers between CLCs and air, and in most cases even between air coolers.
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Everything ciarlatano says above is true. thumb.gif

This graph of TY-140, TY-147 and TY-147A shows the difference in rpm to PWM signal to 3 fan with same motors, but TY-147A has a different PWM curve programed on it's internal PWM PCB. wink.gif You can ignore the TY-143's blue line, but it does snow how fans with different top speeds react to same PWM signal as lower speed fans.
I'm not sure I understand this - could you guys explain?

It seems to me that a) sure, pwm curves are different for each motherboard, but it seems useful to measure across PWM like thermalbench does and b) as far as I can tell those fans are responding to PWM like I would expect them to... isn't this just a difference of the fan's controller's programming? AFAICT the graph here just indicates that ThermalRight fans respond to PWM well, faster fans are faster, slower fans slower, etc... what do you guys mean by "wonky comparisons" - doesn't this just mean that faster fans are faster and slower fans are slower? Why is this not worth measuring?

Just curious, thanks for the discussion smile.gif
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