Originally Posted by Chargeit
Bought Define R5 case and Noctua D15.
Suffered from overheating GPU and CPU due to poor case airflow.
Tested out various fan setups and nothing helped.
Said screw it and removed the Nocuta D15, putting my H100i back in as a front intake.
GPU and CPU temps back to normal.
Moral of the story, ClC are more versatile and therefor work better with a larger range of setups. Air coolers are overrated.
Your problem is unique to say the least. I wish I was close enough that we could spend a day testing and comparing air vs clc in your system.
Too many posts to keep up'
Ambient temperature is a factor with any cooling system. After all we all use 'air' to cool our systems be directly or remotely after being transfered by water to a radiator.
Originally Posted by glinux
Ok fine you're more active than OP my bad
OP targets AIO and air coolers more than custom loops and I took it as those two were the main target of the post.Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
But I do know there are better options out there than an AIO or a air cooler but it depends on the application, ease of use, and maintenance. So far I havent touched my main rig (custom loop) in over a year and the server hasnt been touched since I slapped thermalpaste on it and screwed the fans on in push/pull. Both have had minimal maintenance and run 24/7 and so far I havent had issues.
I know there have been many problematic AIO systems in the past and they "seem" to be getting better but there will always be QC defects and horror stories from people improperly using them. Oh well. So far my personal experience has been great and price/cost/performance ratios have been in my favor. Will I say dont buy one? Will I suggest buying one regardless of the situation? these questions go toward both AIO and air coolers and custom loops and depending on the type of rig I build or someone else builds I will suggest the appropriate cooler with the appropriate research behind what the user needs in their situation. I can't say yay or nay for anything until I see the cards played
I think the clues to what this tread isall about are that it is in the "Air Cooling" forum and has "CLC" in the title.
Yes custom loop are better .. and also much more expensive and skill intensive.
Saying a CLC is best 'choice' or 'needed' in some builds is rarely a valid argument Most all builds can be designed to use air cooling, but the choice of case is just as important as what GPU, CPU or motherboard is used.
Originally Posted by Carniflex
I'll just add a note that according to specification a CPU socket is rated for up to 350 gram cooler
While normally not a problem it can be if one is moving the case around. I have lost a motherboard to a Thermaltake Frio in a semi mobile system few years ago.
I believe the spec is 500 grams. Even some Intel stock coolers weight more than their specified socket weight load.
1. it will obstruct everything and will cut your fingers.
While obstruction may be an occasional problem, cut fingers are rarely an issue.
2. it prevents you from accessing your ram slots.
Once built most of us rarely if ever need to access or RAM slots .. and hoses often do the same.
3. it will cover your fancy motherboard leds.
And we don't care.
4. it may damage your motherboard due to it's weight.
Weight of cooler only damages motherboards when improperly installed or handled. How many tens of thousands of big air coolers are in use and how many documented cases of motherboard damage are from heavy coolers and not abuse?.
5. you have to remove it when transporting.
Water cooling is also problematic when transporting.
6. can't pull fresh air directly from outside, can't exhaust hot air directly to outside.
A valid statement, but one esily resolved with airflow management.
Beauty is in the eys of beholder. While I do like the look of well aligned rigid tube builds, hoses are just ugly.
8. it might come in contact with the gpu pcb and short it, as seen on this pic
Water can and does short out systems too.
Originally Posted by Poisoner
So if I made a thread about why you should only build a custom loop that would be received with high praise?
Probably not here, but after all this is the 'Air Cooling' forum.
Definitely agree with Zero4549 3x CLC instead of spend a little more and going with custom loop or a Swidtech, extra radiator and waterblocks would seem the better choice.
Originally Posted by ghostrider85
and then i have to mess with it every month to keep it maintained? nevermind the initial hassle of building a custom loop.
my 980 ti 1500mhz tops out @ 52C, do i need better cooling? absolutely not.
my 6600k 4.6ghz tops out @ 67C, do i need better cooling? absolutely not.
so, why do i need to waste my time building a custom loop then? absolutely nothing.
No, is the proper coolant is used you do not have any maintenance a year or two .. and if it's done right all that is needed than is to add additional corrosion and algae inhibitors.