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Epic post, one of my fav responses was esp the " come part this in water cooling section if you want a discussion " @Poisoner it made me laugh.

Considering I have spent more on fans then most on their entire pc... won't even get into rads and pumps ( with the exception of itx builds ... maybe I will get into it( I only use 2 pumps in these ) I use 4 pumps per build. And the op is right on. With the exception of 2 pros ( really one) clcs - space vs big air. And use in servers which imo falls also into space

Either way I laugh at people who call clcs "water cooling"... they are not and it is an insult to all who do to wear that badge of honor
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Epic post, esp the " come part this in water cooling section if you want a discussion " it made me laugh.

Considering I have spent more on fans then most in their entire pc... won't even get into rads and pumps ( with the exception of itx builds ... maybe I will( I only use 2 pumps in these ) I use 4 pumps per build. And the op is right on. With the exception of 2 pros ( really one) clcs - space vs big air. And use in servers which imo falls also into space

Either way I laugh at people who call clcs "water cooling"... they are not and it is an insult to all who do to wear that badge of honor

I have always said two things -

First, CLCs are the polar opposite of custom loops. Loud with middling performance - exactly the opposite of why one uses liquid cooling.
Second, CLC threads should have their own section. They do not belong in the "Water Cooling" section. They need their own section.
post #43 of 474
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Originally Posted by Chargeit View Post

Bought Define R5 case and Noctua D15.

Suffered from overheating GPU and CPU due to poor case airflow.

Tested out various fan setups and nothing helped.

Said screw it and removed the Nocuta D15, putting my H100i back in as a front intake.

GPU and CPU temps back to normal.

Moral of the story, ClC are more versatile and therefor work better with a larger range of setups. Air coolers are overrated.
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After looking at THIS chart, I would assume the moral of the story is that it doesn't really matter what you use as the gains are minimal across most of the products. Unless you live somewhere that you seriously need the extra 2 degrees in cooling.

Maybe it's just me.
It doesn't, but do keep in mind Tweaktown's test standards say::
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All of our testing is done at 24C with a degree margin of error (23.5C to 24.5C is allowable) and the humidity is controlled between 40 - 50%, both in winter and summer testing.
I can find no statement as to where or how often the temperature is checked.

If it is monitored in real time same as CPU temp we have a +/-0.5c magin of air, but that is assuming the thermometer is actuate to 0.1c or better. If the room temp thermometer reads in 0.5c increments, the margin of air grows th +/-1.0c .. which is a 2c total margin of error. Add to this the air temp even a few feet from cooler intake could easily be 2-5c cooler make it impossible to know what the margin of air is, and without full disclosure of procedures we really don't know what the margin of air is. .
post #44 of 474
Not this debate again rolleyes.gif

I still think some valid points for both were missed but good information nevertheless.
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Not this debate again rolleyes.gif

It will never end.
   
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and then i have to mess with it every month to keep it maintained? nevermind the initial hassle of building a custom loop.
my 980 ti 1500mhz tops out @ 52C, do i need better cooling? absolutely not.
my 6600k 4.6ghz tops out @ 67C, do i need better cooling? absolutely not.

so, why do i need to waste my time building a custom loop then? absolutely nothing.
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Not this debate again rolleyes.gif

I still think some valid points for both were missed but good information nevertheless.
Please, what valid points have been missed? I think a good many of us here are interested in good discussions .. as this thread is.
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It will never end.
We need to waste our time on something, tongue.gif
post #47 of 474
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Originally Posted by smithydan View Post

Not this debate again rolleyes.gif

I still think some valid points for both were missed but good information nevertheless.
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Originally Posted by Ultisym View Post

It will never end.

No, probably not.

Just a personal thing here - I have been accused many times of hating and/or hating on CLCs, but that really isn't the case. I think they have their place. What irks me about them is their users, who are in some kind of fantasy world. Don't tell me that your H100i GTX cools better and is quieter than an NH-D15/R1/TC14PE/etc, when test results clearly indicate that is not the case. Don't tell me that you replaced your 2500 rpm Corsair fans with 1500 rpm Noctuas and your temps dropped 20 degrees (yeah....lower cfm and static pressure always improve rad performance rolleyes.gif ). Don't tell me your CLC cured cancer, resolved international tensions and made your CPU so cold that it shattered. THAT is my biggest problem with CLCs.

That said, I probably still own at least ten CLCs at the moment, and there is no way I would ever use one in my daily build - simply because of the noise......and the fact that I don't like my PC looking like it was built in 2012. tongue.gif
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I'm not getting the pissing contest that has erupted in this thread.

There are scenarios where each of the noted cooling techniques have advantages over others. Air cooling, for example, can more or less function ok in very large temperature range (including subzero temps) and is very simple. None of the cooling techniques are 100% maintenance free or going to last one for eternity. Fans and fins need some de-dusting and removal of pet hairs regardless if they are on radiator or air cooling heat sink. When air cooler is undesirable for some reason (weight, size, looks, etc) CLC or custom loop can be used. CLC has advantage over custom loop if one has particularly tight size constraints (particularly in small from factor systems) or budget constraints (normally CLC is about 30 ..40% cheaper than comparable custom kit). Once one moves into multiple CLC cooled components territory then water cooling kit tends to be better option as one gets away with just kit + extra radiator + fittings and blocks for GPU's. Over buying a separate CLC kit for each GPU. Air cooling starts at much much lower budget than CLC or customs loops as well with awesome bang-for-buck designs like 212+, for example.

If a custom loop must it can run for 3+ years without much maintenance same as air cooler with similar degrading in performance as stuff builds up on fins, fans and in tubing.

One just has to pick what suits his/her needs the best, however these are defined by the user as that's pretty subjective thing.

As far as OP's original argument goes that air cooling is superior to CLC's - I'm disagreeing on that if its stated in that way but I do not see much point in making an argument out of it.
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For the amount you spent on those 3 derpy CLCs, you could have built a custom loop that would look better, perform better, last longer, etc.

"Perfection" is probably the last thing I'd call those ugly tubes running haphazardly across your GPUs, or the woefully inefficient cooling and noise levels you are getting from that setup.

I'm not against CLCs, but I do understand that their practical application is much more niche than people seem to think. I've used CLCs in systems where small size, some flexibility in mounting, and lack of required maintenance were the most important factors, and under those conditions they do well. In just about any other scenario however, they are a very poor choice.

You forgot to mention the noise.....three Corsair CLCs in one build? Must sound like the cleaning crew just came in to vacuum when you put a load on it, not to mention three Asetek pumps buzzing away all the time. With a custom loop you would get better temps with essentially no noise.

Glad somebody else sees that tubing as messy. The multi-CLC thing looks like someone threw a squid in the case - they are "one size fits none".
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I'm not getting the pissing contest that has erupted in this thread.

There are scenarios where each of the noted cooling techniques have advantages over others. Air cooling, for example, can more or less function ok in very large temperature range (including subzero temps) and is very simple. None of the cooling techniques are 100% maintenance free or going to last one for eternity. Fans and fins need some de-dusting and removal of pet hairs regardless if they are on radiator or air cooling heat sink. When air cooler is undesirable for some reason (weight, size, looks, etc) CLC or custom loop can be used. CLC has advantage over custom loop if one has particularly tight size constraints (particularly in small from factor systems) or budget constraints (normally CLC is about 30 ..40% cheaper than comparable custom kit). Once one moves into multiple CLC cooled components territory then water cooling kit tends to be better option as one gets away with just kit + extra radiator + fittings and blocks for GPU's. Over buying a separate CLC kit for each GPU. Air cooling starts at much much lower budget than CLC or customs loops as well with awesome bang-for-buck designs like 212+, for example.

If a custom loop must it can run for 3+ years without much maintenance same as air cooler with similar degrading in performance as stuff builds up on fins, fans and in tubing.

One just has to pick what suits his/her needs the best, however these are defined by the user as that's pretty subjective thing.

As far as OP's original argument goes that air cooling is superior to CLC's - I'm disagreeing on that if its stated in that way but I do not see much point in making an argument out of it.
I agree with most of your post.

What I do not agree with is:
Most all builds can be done using air as long as all components are comparable. In other word, CLC is rarely if ever a necessity.
When Asetek first came out with the 'CLC' they called it LCLC for 'Low Cost Liquid Cooling' And that is the reason not to use them. Because they are so cheaply built the are definitely noisy .. and nowhere near as dependable as air cooling.
Quite honestly CLCs are odd balls that are not accepted by either air cooing or custom loop fraternities or people who have used and studied cooler and cooing in general .. and for good reason.
Most builders spend $200+ on a CPU, $100+, $400+ on GPU, $100+ on case, etc. Why cheap out on cooling by using a CLC? Simple answer is media and advertising hype with little or no truth. Many of the first CLC buyers saw 'water' and equated ti with 'custom water loop'. A complete CLC 280 system without fans weights about the same as just a component radiator. That is including all the 'water' in the CLC.

I've noticed the resurgence of 'born again air-head' coming back to air coolers for the very reasons CrazyElf stated in his opening post.
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