and that is your prerogative
however bent fins do affect performance, just because you can not see the affect does not mean it does not exist -
if enough are bent to affect performance then it is already too late
i do commercial ac work, which translates to pc cooling well, it is all about thermal transfer
i can not tell you how many RTUs ( units ) i have had to condemn because they had too many bent fins i have lost count- now i am talking in some cases radiators that are bigger then your car in length and small as 1ft by 1 ft .
it happens , and it starts slowly but eventually bent fins will have enough of an affect on airflow that it will matter !
Originally Posted by CrazyElf
Originally Posted by DaFirnz
After looking at THIS
chart, I would assume the moral of the story is that it doesn't really matter what you use as the gains are minimal across most of the products. Unless you live somewhere that you seriously need the extra 2 degrees in cooling.
Maybe it's just me.
Actually it makes a huge difference. You didn't look at the other chart the sound pressure levels - note that some coolers are 20-30 db louder to get the same cooling performance.
The important thing is not absolute performance, but performance to noise ratio.
Originally Posted by ciarlatano
I have always said two things -
First, CLCs are the polar opposite of custom loops. Loud with middling performance - exactly the opposite of why one uses liquid cooling.
Second, CLC threads should have their own section. They do not belong in the "Water Cooling" section. They need their own section.
This. I mean with custom loops, you get:
- Quiet radiators with low fin density
- Generalists that do well at all fans (EK's Coolstream XE is an example)
- Loud, but unmatched performance with high performance fans (products like the HWLabs Black Ice GTX Gen 2 are made for this)
Originally Posted by Mega Man
Epic post, one of my fav responses was esp the " come part this in water cooling section if you want a discussion " @Poisoner
it made me laugh.
Considering I have spent more on fans then most on their entire pc... won't even get into rads and pumps ( with the exception of itx builds ... maybe I will get into it( I only use 2 pumps in these ) I use 4 pumps per build. And the op is right on. With the exception of 2 pros ( really one) clcs - space vs big air. And use in servers which imo falls also into space
Either way I laugh at people who call clcs "water cooling"... they are not and it is an insult to all who do to wear that badge of honor
As far as fans go these days, I always recommend to people Gentle Typhoons. Other industrial fans like the Delta AFB series, the San Ace fans, and other Nidecs are pretty well made. Some people like the EK Vardar series as well.
Originally Posted by ghostrider85
why you should not buy a big bulky heatsink:
1. it will obstruct everything and will cut your fingers.
2. it prevents you from accessing your ram slots.
3. it will cover your fancy motherboard leds.
4. it may damage your motherboard due to it's weight.
5. you have to remove it when transporting.
6. can't pull fresh air directly from outside, can't exhaust hot air directly to outside.
8. it might come in contact with the gpu pcb and short it, as seen on this pic
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why you should buy clc:
- Installation risks are with anything. If you use a CLC, you might bend the fins on the radiator by mistake for example. I've done so on water coolers (copper is very soft and easy to bend). You can hurt yourself with anything really. ON a custom loop, I've hurt my fingers before tightening compression fittings (use work gloves for that, btw). Many coolers, like the Cryorig R1 Ultimate are actually quite easy to install.
- Not true, as there are cutouts for the D15 and other heatsinks. You may have to remove the front fan, but you can still access them. That isn't hard to do.
- I suppose this one has some merit - blocks LEDs. That assumes though that you have decorative LEDs.
- Actually, anecdotally, how many stories do you hear about air coolers damaging motherboards? I hear far more about CLCs leaking.
- I would recommend removing a CLC while transporting as well. The risk of leaks is higher than I'd like. I have heard others recommend for many custom loops that ideally, one should drain them before sending as well. Either way, you probably safe if you transport the air cooler facing down.
- You can, with good case air flow. The CPU cooler will intake fresh air, go through the tower and exhaust out of the case exhaust. Actually CLCs have one drawback here, if you set your top 240 radiator to intake, although you are going to make your GPU warmer because you will exhaust warm air onto the GPU and motherboard. You are making your CPU cooler by a couple of degrees at the expense of your GPU.
- Looks are subjective, but I personally find AIOs with their fixed tubing to be visually unattractive.
- As far as shorting goes, I've indicated that there are now coolers that address that. Also, most GPUs these days come with backplates. Finally, if it is not touching, it will not short a GPU. By contrast, the risk of a CLC leaking and causing a short is far higher. Also note that with time, the water inside the loop will be far more conductive. Custom loop owners are advised to change their loop water every year, for good reason (it also keeps the corrosion at bay). That is not something that AIOs have.
I don't find that AIO to be good looking - while a well built custom loop is very appealing to me, a lot of AIOs kind of screams to me, custom loop wanna be. As one other person has noted, for the money spent on those AIOs, you could bought a water cooling kit, a pair of universal GPU water blocks, and ended up with considerably better performance. That and the water cooling parts will last a lot longer.
how is a full block any harder then a clc on a gpu?
i can count the amount of cracked dies i have seen from full blocks on one hand, how many cracked dies due to clcs?