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I just received a Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 all-in-one kit for a new pc build I'm going to be doing. The Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 comes with 4 fans for push/pull which I want to use.
My question is in which direction to install the radiotor's top & bottom fan's for best performance?

Here's the pc parts I have so far:
Mobo: Asus Maximus VIII Hero
CPU: Intel Core i5 6600K (planning on overclocking w/AI Suite 3's 5-way optimization
SSD 1 : Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2 (For Windows 10 Pro & Programs)
SSD 2: Intel 530 Series 480GB. (For Games)
H.D.D.: Seagate Barracuda 3.0TB. (For All ,Contacts Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Saved Games, Searches and Videos)
DVD-RW: LiteON iHAS 324
Blu-Ray Burner: LiteON iHBS 212
RAM: G-Skill Ripjaws Z F4-3200C16D-16GVGB (2 kits 32GBs.)
Video cards: 2 MSI N760 2GD5OC 2.0GBs.

Still need to get:
PSU: Corsair HX-1000i
Case: NZXT Phantom 820

Later after the build upgrading both video cards to 2 Sapphire Radeon R9 Fury 380X 4.0GBs in crossfire
3 more NZXT fans for inside case (1 for 120mm/140mm. pvot bracket and 2 for bottom of case in front of psu).
Juat waiting to here back from NZXT on which of their fan's will work with the cases built-in hue lighting.
Planning on going w/ red lighting for the NZXT fans and my mobo.
Then I'm going to get a new 24" ips monitor and then sell my current pc and monitor.
Edited by 321BRKKAB321 - 2/7/16 at 9:30pm
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My question is in which direction to install the radiotor's top & bottom fan's for best performance?
Imo pushing hot air to the outside of the case, you may also consider turning the back case fan into a pulling position so it provides cool air to the AIO (saw successful results in a website a while ago, the guy was an aerodynamics engineer, cant seem to find it though).

Also may i provide some suggestions not directly related to the first post:
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planning on overclocking w/AI Suite 3's 5-way optimization
While overcloxking utilities may prove succesful in doing so, their sertings are often poorly optimized and i suggest you to overclock it yourself as the new generations are fairly easy to tweak and the result will certainly be better.
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Seagate Barracuda 3.0TB.
Please conside buying another drive in order to manage backups or replace it with any other drive that doesnt come from seagateor toshiba or any of their sub brands.
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DVD-RW: LiteON iHAS 324
Blu-Ray Burner: LiteON iHBS 212
Can't blu-ray drives also play dvds ?
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Video cards: 2 MSI N760 2GD5OC 2.0GBs
Imo you should get a single former flagship gpu (ie 780 ti) or its recent performance-wise equivalent (970-980) unless you are face with a deal competitive enough to overcome all the issues brought by the sli system.the performance will be similar or even better even if we assume sli always double the performance.
Also http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1064?vs=1072 : 780 ti vs 770(!) Sli
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3 more NZXT fans for inside case (1 for 120mm/140mm. pvot bracket and 2 for bottom of case in front of psu).
Juat waiting to here back from NZXT on which of their fan's will work with the cases built-in hue lighting
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Just be aware that there may be other, most cost and oerformance effective fan that may come wirh led.

Also have you tested the aio ? could you comment here, on my thread or in a review about the pumpthread noise that it makes and maybe make a comparison with any other aio you may have had ?
 
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The fan direction shouldn't make a whole lot of difference so long as you roughly balance intake and exhaust in your case so air can flow as freely as possible. All other things equal, exhausting the hot air directly out is probably preferable.

A couple other things about your build: I second the notion that the Seagate Barracuda is absolute garbage. Their reliability ratings are very poor and I believe I read something recently about a class action lawsuit against them for being so prone to failure. If you use it be sure to BACK UP anything important on another drive too. 1000w seems like pretty massive overkill for that system, even running a pair of 380X's in the future. It wouldn't hurt anything, but you could certainly save some money with a lower output unit. I also have to question the video card choice. SLI is nearly pointless unless it's top of the line cards. Running a single more powerful card for the combined price of the 2 lower end cards will almost always give more performance, be more power efficient, and give you a better future upgrade path. If you already got them for a great deal or have some other compelling reason to use them by all means go for it, but that's generally not the smoothest way to go about things. Sorry, I realize that's not exactly what you were asking about. Just my 2cents.gifsmile.gif
 
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I can't afford a 970. It's the card I wanted, but can't get. I'm on Social Security Disability due to Type 1 Diabetes complications. I also found out last month that I have Lung Cancer last month. I get a P.E.T. scan for it Tuesday to see if it's just in my left lung or if it's spread to my lymph nodes, heart, brain, etc. and what type/stage of Lung Cancer.
I can only afford the 2 Sapphire videos spaced 2 month's apart.
As far as the NZXT fans, the Phantom 820 has NZXT's Hue lighting for the case and the NZXT fans.
I've been getting the part's for the new build since October. Then in November, my current pc's mobo died and I had to replace it.
Then from the week before Thanksgiving to December 1st I had 7 operations for 20 kidney stones. Now I find out about the new medical issue's that have also caused my legs to swell up.
I haven't tested the water cooler yet. I have to wait until March when I get the psu for the new build.
I got the cooler for a steal on Amazon and it comes with 4 fans in the kit for it.
There was no leakage in the box and Amazon packed it in a bigger, thicker box as I also got a tube of Arctic MX-4 and some Velcro cable ties with the order.
I also, checked the radiator, water block and tubing. No leaks, or damage.
I then put the Intel 115* backplate from it on the motherboard.
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The psu is to future proof it some. I know, from my pst, I'll be in pretty much constant upgrade mode.
That psu is also not to expensive, like the AX Series is and it's 80+ Platinum.
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I can't afford a 970. It's the card I wanted, but can't get. I'm on Social Security Disability due to Type 1 Diabetes complications. I also found out last month that I have Lung Cancer last month. I get a P.E.T. scan for it Tuesday to see if it's just in my left lung or if it's spread to my lymph nodes, heart, brain, etc. and what type/stage of Lung Cancer.
I can only afford the 2 Sapphire videos spaced 2 month's apart.
As far as the NZXT fans, the Phantom 820 has NZXT's Hue lighting for the case and the NZXT fans.
I've been getting the part's for the new build since October. Then in November, my current pc's mobo died and I had to replace it.
Then from the week before Thanksgiving to December 1st I had 7 operations for 20 kidney stones. Now I find out about the new medical issue's that have also caused my legs to swell up.
I haven't tested the water cooler yet. I have to wait until March when I get the psu for the new build.
I got the cooler for a steal on Amazon and it comes with 4 fans in the kit for it.
There was no leakage in the box and Amazon packed it in a bigger, thicker box as I also got a tube of Arctic MX-4 and some Velcro cable ties with the order.
I also, checked the radiator, water block and tubing. No leaks, or damage.
I then put the Intel 115* backplate from it on the motherboard.
dang, sorry for the medical issues, hope you get better, and sorry for your Mobo loss.
Maybe try to find a refurbrished (or in the same way you got the cooler deal) GPU that would allow you to buy the 970 / 780ti, or reuse a old PC part until you get the cash (PSU) if you have access to, another solution would be simply not to order a non critical part (case, monitor) so you can use the full power built right away.Last but not least you could also use the old technique of the waiting game : wait 2 months 'surviving with the IGP', playing indie games, doing other distractions i dunno, then eventually buy a big GPU.

Edit: now that i think of it, why will you be upgrading the cards after the build ?another advantage of buying a big single GPU now is that you will just have to buy another later instead of going through the hassle and potential money loss of selling the two small ones.
I you still want to replace the sli solution soon enough, i advise you to take refurbrished r9 290s as the performance will be sizeably better, with no architecture performance loss for newer games (imo, correct me if i'm wrong)
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Originally Posted by 321BRKKAB321 View Post

I just received a Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 all-in-one kit for a new pc build I'm going to be doing. The Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 comes with 4 fans for push/pull which I want to use.
My question is in which direction to install the radiotor's top & bottom fan's for best performance?

Here's the pc parts I have so far:
Mobo: Asus Maximus VIII Hero
CPU: Intel Core i5 6600K (planning on overclocking w/AI Suite 3's 5-way optimization
SSD 1 : Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2 (For Windows 10 Pro & Programs)
SSD 2: Intel 530 Series 480GB. (For Games)
H.D.D.: Seagate Barracuda 3.0TB. (For All ,Contacts Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Saved Games, Searches and Videos)
DVD-RW: LiteON iHAS 324
Blu-Ray Burner: LiteON iHBS 212
RAM: G-Skill Ripjaws Z F4-3200C16D-16GVGB (2 kits 32GBs.)
Video cards: 2 MSI N760 2GD5OC 2.0GBs.

Still need to get:
PSU: Corsair HX-1000i
Case: NZXT Phantom 820

Later after the build upgrading both video cards to 2 Sapphire Radeon R9 Fury 380X 4.0GBs in crossfire
3 more NZXT fans for inside case (1 for 120mm/140mm. pvot bracket and 2 for bottom of case in front of psu).
Juat waiting to here back from NZXT on which of their fan's will work with the cases built-in hue lighting.
Planning on going w/ red lighting for the NZXT fans and my mobo.
Then I'm going to get a new 24" ips monitor and then sell my current pc and monitor.
Hi! Welcome to OCn.
Your list of components you now have looks good.

I think the Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 is a poor choice of cooler. Reasons are it is a CLC, meaning it is a low cost sealed system alternative to real liquid cooling. The components in CLCs are marginal at best. If you can, return it. If you plan to use water cooling then do it properly with at least something like the Swiftech H220 X, H240 X or new H220 X2, H240 X2 & H320 X2. These are basically component systems pre-assembled an filled. The pump and ratiator are similar to much higher costing component system components. Way better cooling, much quieter, and you can add more water blocks and radiators if you want to expand your system. CLCs are throw-away systems if anything but a fan fails .. meaning you have to replace the whole thing.

The 2 MSI N760 2GD5OC 2.0GB are okay, but they will be noisy. Problem is if you have to use 2x GPUs it becomes very hard to cool them with air unless they have blower fans like what you have chosen.

As for your case choice, I'm not sure about these big fan cases. While some may be okay, so far the general concusses is that 140mm fans perform much better. I'm partial to Phanteks cases. The Enthoo Primo is a great case and similar is size to Phantom. If you haven't looked at it, you might find it a good choice. Plenty of fans included as well as a PWM controlled 3-pin fan controller for automatic case fan control.
http://www.phanteksusa.com/collections/cases/products/phanteks-enthoo-primo-white
http://www.phanteksusa.com/collections/cases/products/phanteks-enthoo-primo-white
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The fan direction shouldn't make a whole lot of difference so long as you roughly balance intake and exhaust in your case so air can flow as freely as possible. All other things equal, exhausting the hot air directly out is probably preferable.

Exactly. The 820 has very good airflow capabilities, and if set up correctly the temps in the case will be within a few degrees of the outside ambient. This allows you to use the natural airflow path the case was designed for (front and bottom intake, top and back exhaust). Running a CLC as intake is incredibly myopic, especially in your case with air cooled SLI. Doing so not only completely disrupts the airflow of the case that the GPU desperately needs, you are also blowing warm air right onto your top GPU. So, the whole "but my CPU is two degrees cooler when I run it as intake" results in "my GPUs and MB VRM are ten plus degrees hotter". It's a silly trade off.

Given your setup, you clearly want the CLC set up as exhaust.
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Originally Posted by MadjinnSayan View Post

pls no (y u do dis ?)

Thanks for the reference. This shows the effects even using a much higher quality piece like the Glacer 240L in a far more restrictive case. Since the R4 used in this test typically displays a far higher difference in ambient to in case temps, one would expect an even greater variation from intake to exhaust mounts, yet it is still only two degrees. It also points out greater noise when using the fans as intake. As you can see, the temps of a single GPU rise, which would increase far more in the OP's situation given the SLI setup.

So, in essence, in a less restrictive case with the airflow properly setup, the difference will be less than what you are seeing in the post by random Reddit user. If we look at tests that were done in a controlled environment in a well set up case that more closely matches the 820 (an Enthoo Luxe with two 140SP as front intake, one 140SP as exhaust), we see even less of a difference, making the idea of running the CLC as intake in this particular build even worse. You need to consider all of the components in the build (especially that top GPU), not just one when you set up airflow:




Edit - I should mention that "push" in these charts is intake, "pull" is exhausting using top mounted fans in both scenarios.
Edited by ciarlatano - 2/8/16 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by 321BRKKAB321 View Post

The psu is to future proof it some. I know, from my pst, I'll be in pretty much constant upgrade mode.
That psu is also not to expensive, like the AX Series is and it's 80+ Platinum.
Corsair do not have a very good rep on many fronts, and their PSU are definitely not top tier.

As for a case, we have a long running Phanteks case thread here that you might find interesting. Both ciarlanto and I frequent it. wink.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1418637/official-case-phanteks-case-club-for-lovers-owners/12280_20#post_24874289
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